God willing, we all recognize that the marriage and the development of relationships are incredibly significant. Social creatures that we are, human beings are drawn toward loving and meaningful companionship, and for many, thoughts about love, marriage, and relationships begin to blossom at a very early age. Among the more conservative and liturgically oriented Christian circles I find myself traveling through, the way young people ought to approach marriage and romantic relationships is probably one of the single most commonly debated topics of discussion. Pastors, parents, and young people alike all have clearly defined ideas of how a relationship should look, and these ideas are presented as anything but casual suggestions. I’ve seen people, who otherwise get along very well, jump into rather intense and heated debates over whether or not teens and young adults should date, what kind of physical interaction is appropriate before marriage, and if it is ever OK for two people to be in a relationship if they don’t intend to get married.

These kinds of passionately driven discussions happen, I think, because we recognize the severity of these issues and the importance of living upright and decent lives in a society where ideas of marriage, sex, and relationships are disfigured and distorted in heinous and unrecognizable ways. Loving and well intentioned parents and pastors are determined to guide and protect their children and the young people of their churches because they are fully aware of the ways that the very concept of love itself has been skewed in our modern culture. As I heard at a Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod wedding just the other day “[M]arriage is not to be entered into unadvisedly or lightly, but reverently, deliberately, and in accordance with the purposes for which it was instituted by God.” Loving companionship isn’t something insignificant or meaningless, and despite what the world around us might argue, there are lasting consequences to entering and leaving romantic and physically intimate relationships. It makes sense, then, that people within the Christian community recognize the importance of this issue and get enthusiastic about ensuring that the people they care about do things “the right way.”

However, the thing that concerns me when I observe the typical approach to pre-marriage relationships within my Christian community is that I see a great deal of unwavering law that extends greatly beyond what is given to us in scripture. It leaves little room for the life circumstances of individuals and acts as though every couple should be essentially the same. Of course law is instrumentally important; when you’re a teenager or young adult running full steam on out of control hormones, there is certainly a use for clear standards as tools for guiding young people toward marriage in an upright and respectable manner. However, the Law without the Gospel is damning, and especially when we are dealing with laws not given to use via the divinely inspired Word of God we should seriously consider whether or not our good intentioned rules are helping or condemning the people around us.

The prevailing opinion about how relationships should be conducted that I hear coming from the more conservative and liturgical group of Christians around me (which is made almost entirely by homeschooling families) is that you should get married young, that you shouldn’t date, that physical intimacy should by and large be avoided until marriage, and that families should play an instrumental part in the development of the relationship. I have heard profound and convincing arguments for all of these points, but what do they mean for the twenty-eight year old who has been actively seeking but has not found a marriageable companion? What comfort or direction is the atheist turned Christian to find in instruction like that when they are faced with the fact that they have already been in and out of several dating and physically intimate relationships? What does the couple attending college across the country from their families do, and what hope is there if you didn’t get this direction or advice until too late?

The laws I see laid down by the actually very wise and caring parents and pastors within my circle are excellent, but they are also idealistic and unforgiving a lot of the time. The idea that there is one, and only one, right way for a relationship to be carried out is harmful to a lot of people left without the means to adhere to the rules and standards ingrained in that “one right way.” On top of that, there is no clear path of forgiveness or reconciliation for those who have erred in the past, and the implied message is that if you don’t follow the rules of the correct way than you are either A) sinning B) guaranteed to enter into a doomed relationship and/or C) walking along a path bound for pain and suffering. Oftentimes this may be the case, and the rules established by the Christian community are often made as a direct response to the evils and errors of the world around us, but the law never comforts or forgives. The law will always condemn; the law without the gospel leads to despair, and despair is just as likely to pull apart a relationship as anything else.

My point is not that we should abandon relationships and pursue love carelessly and without guiding principles and curbs in place, but rather that attempting to establish a one-size-fits-all set of rules that can be applied to everyone is not likely to be entirely beneficial. People meet their spouses at different ages, they live in different circumstances, and their families all have their own unique cultures. The differences and dynamic characteristics of families and individuals are part of what make marriage and loving companionship so incredibly special and remarkable; to ignore or undermine that is to disregard the significance of the fact that two different people from two different worlds can come together and become one.

Considering the fact that I am not married and do not have any children myself, I can hardly claim to be an expert on love or relationships in any way. However, I’ve botched a relationship in my life already by trying to adhere to an unrelenting ideal, and I’ve seen several friends and two different siblings go through the entire process of meeting someone and getting married. God has blessed me with the opportunity to observe others while they made both mistakes and good choices, and I have striven to learn from witnessing my own failures and successes as well those of my friends and family. Based on my observations and personal experiences, I am convinced that the “one right way” to conduct a relationship, or the closest thing to it, is very simple.

 

What the girl’s head says is the way things should be done, is the way they should be done.

 

When I say head, I am not referring to the brain on the shoulders of the female in the relationship but rather the authority in her life responsible for her care and safety up until she is able to find a spouse. God willing this will be her dad, but in cases of a deceased, negligent, or absent father it might be her mother, an uncle, an older brother, or even a pastor. In any case, chances are there will be someone in her life that can be called a head and an authority.

Just as Jacob was to concede to Laban’s authority in order to win Rachel’s hand, young men today are to concede to the authority of their sweetheart’s head. As long the girl’s father or other authority is a Godly and upright individual, the rules he puts in place are created with the authority of his station and should be honored and respected. When men recognize that the fathers of the women they wish to marry are not obstacles to overcome or even friends to be won over but authorities ordained by God to provide for and protect their daughters, the question of “How should I approach a relationship with this girl?” should be relatively clear. The answer is: “However her father says I should.”

This philosophy allows the father or other head to take into account the fact that every couple is different. If he is attentive and caring then it is likely that he will know his daughter better than anyone else; so he, God willing, will know what is best for her and what kind of rules will be most likely to result in a healthy and happy relationship/marriage. Parents have been put into the ultimate position to serve as mediators and guides within the relationships of their children because they have not only gone through the whole experience of growing up and getting married themselves, but they have also spent years watching their children grow and develop.

On top of that, when the girl’s head becomes the head of the relationship, neither half of the relationship has to ever rely on their own inexperienced wisdom or some generic presiding set of rules to guide them or show them what is right. There will always be another person, one with many more years of life behind him and an intimate knowledge of who, at least one half of the relationship is, to turn to for advice and instruction.

Perhaps most importantly, if adopted, this is not a law absent of any accompanying gospel. With the father’s law comes his guiding wisdom and grace. By involving the father in the relationship this way, he has the ability to care for, oversee, and nurture the couple not as task master but as someone seeking to care for his child and her future husband. True, fathers are necessarily intimidating and the guy should actually have to work to earn the hand of his bride, but once the couple is married the father will have gained a son in addition to giving away a daughter. He is someone to trust and respect rather than fear.

In the same way that our heavenly Father gives us forgiveness and grace in addition to His Law, by taking the girl’s head on as the head of the entire relationship, the couple should receive his wisdom and care in addition to a set of rules. Because let’s face it, just as all humanity is rotten to the core and dependent on God’s grace and mercy, there are few people as prone to make stupid choices and err in potentially disastrous ways as a couple of young people in love.

Obviously I don’t have everything figured out, and obviously this philosophy still struggles in situations when a girl is removed from her family for one reason or another. However, from what I have observed of life so far, this seems to be the wisest and safest path. Besides, if you think about it, it is a very Christological philosophy. If the heavenly Father is the head of Christ and his bride the Church, it only makes sense that an earthly father should be the head of his children and their life as a couple.

8 responses to “Relationships “The Right Way””

  1. Jody Byrkett Avatar

    Nicholai,

    You’re right when you say that this topic can easily raise heated debates, because every person and situation is different. Yet we are all humans, and as such, there are some governing principles for us to love others and to put up wise boundaries in relationships of many kinds. That said, I’m going to raise a bit of a ruckus…

    I, and many of my single female friends, are in our later 20s and 30s and do not live with our families. I happen to have a very good relationship with my parents, but even so, I balk at the idea of my dad being the “head” of my relationship with anyone. I always want my parents to meet my friends (I think a lot both of my parents and of my friends), and I would certainly ask for advice in a dating relationship. In fact, I would want several mature married couples keeping me (and a future man) accountable to the word and Spirit of God. However, when does a girl get to be her own person and make her own decisions? I find the “head” idea frustrating—not to mention infuriating—as if men get to be grownups once they reach a certain maturity, but women never do.

    I see Chris beat me to asking this question just now… So I won’t further expostulate, in order to give you a chance to answer. 😉 Thanks!

    1. Nicholai Stuckwisch Avatar
      Nicholai Stuckwisch

      Jody,

      Thank you for your question. I have to admit that I did foresee questions like this when I penned the post, and your queries are not at all unreasonable. I think my reply to the above comment probably addresses your question as well, but I’ll add some more here to address what you’re asking specifically.

      I actually have a few good friends who are single young women in their early twenties to early thirties so I am not completely oblivious to life situations such as your own even if I’m not necessarily familiar with them either.

      You said “I would certainly ask for advice in a dating relationship. In fact, I would want several mature married couples keeping me (and a future man) accountable to the word and Spirit of God,” and that is exactly the kind of role I am trying suggest that the head should take. While I probably didn’t articulate it very well in my original post, I am not saying that the girl’s father should be master over the couples in a sort of servant-master role, and I do not think that a woman who has moved away from home has to constantly be checking in with her father to ensure that what she is doing with and in her life is alright. Instead, I’m suggesting that every couple should look to the father figure in the woman’s life as their guide, mentor, and teacher as they attempt to navigate the stormy waters of a relationship. While this may actually be more of the case for younger boys and girls still living at home, in your kind of a situation the head isn’t their to monitor the couples’ actions and ensure that they behave.

      When a father is a faithful Christian and has been active in his daughter’s upbringing, he is uniquely positioned to provide wise, intelligent, and helpful advice and, as the case may be, boundaries for the relationship because he has not only gone through the whole process himself but he probably knows his daughter better than practically anyone else outside the family. Any advice or boundaries he puts in place are again not meant to ensure that both halves of the couple behave, but rather to try and serve as guiding principles to assist in maintaining a healthy relationship that will lead into a healthy marriage. As I mentioned in my above comment, my personal experience has lead me to believe that being in love, regardless of your age, has a tendency to cloud your judgement in some areas (and that’s not 100% a bad thing) so having a third party, who cares about both people within the relationship but who also has lots of life experience and a mostly unbiased eye, will be able to provide answers and solutions to questions in challenges within a relationship where the couple might be lost.

      Lastly, I want to address the comment “I find the “head” idea frustrating—not to mention infuriating—as if men get to be grownups once they reach a certain maturity, but women never
      do,” because I think it reveals a potential misunderstanding of my argument and spot where further explanation is necessary.

      Both men and women become grown ups as soon as they move out, get a job, and establish their own household to the extent that they are responsible for their own well being, in charge of their own actions, and free to do with their time what they want as long as they are living within the laws of the nation. However, I don’t think we can really say that men or women ever really become grown ups to the extent that they stop owing duty and respect to their parents. As I said in my above comment, the fourth commandment holds true for our entire lives, and while our mothers and fathers don’t have the authority to tell us when to go to bed or what to do with our daily lives, they are still our parents and with that comes God given authority over our lives to some extent or another.

      When I’m saying that a father (or father like figure) in the girl’s life should become head over the relationship, I am not trying to suggest that he should be in charge of her and that the relationship is a negotiation between the dad and the dude rather than an interaction between the guy and the girl. No, instead I am trying to suggest that the man actually surrender up his own authority to the girl’s father and acknowledge her as his own head in this matter.

      While I can understand that my post could come across as an attempt to tell women that they need to listen to their father’s and let dad take care of their relationships, I am actually writing more to my fellow men than anyone else. I think it is our responsibly, as guys, to acknowledge that until we have actually gotten married to the woman we love, we do not have any of the household headship or authority described in the bible. As much as I would like to see woman going to their father’s for relationship advice, I want to see men going to the father’s of their prospective spouses for advice even more.

      For me to ask the girl’s father “Is it alright if I do this with your daughter?” is not part of some bartering process but rather a recognition of the fact that A) her dad does have the God given authority as her dad even if he is no longer providing for her financial or overseeing her daily needs B) he has watched he grow from an infant to a grown woman and likely understands her wants and needs better than any other man, and C) that he is a grown man who has years of experience and wisdom beyond my own.

      I feel myself beginning to ramble, so I’ll stop there for now and give you time to formulate a reply.

      Thanks again for the question!

      1. Jody Byrkett Avatar

        Nicholai,

        Thanks for your answer here and above. I certainly am not opposed to young men encouraging one another further along the road of life, and I think you are doing that with this post. I’m also not opposed to Godly men encouraging one another/younger men to tell a girl he would like to get to know her better. (We don’t bite, really!) I also appreciate that you did say in your post (and elsewhere) something about things being a bit different for single women who live away from home. And as you are not a single woman, I certainly understand that you probably don’t “hear” some of the things you’re saying as frustrating. No problem, that’s why I asked the above question.

        I think there is a flip side to your main point—a side that you have left unsaid (perhaps you thought it obvious). That is, that a young man should also be seeking advice from his own father (and/or other Godly men), not just the young lady in question’s father; and vice versa. Seeking the influence and counsel of both sets of parents is ideal in this sort of situation; I certainly concur.

        None of the above things bother me, it is this sticky idea of “headship” that really has me bewildered. I make the disclaimer right now that I am by no means a feminist, and am probably a female version of a male chauvinist—if that is possible… But this idea really bothers me, because it seems to treat women as somehow less than men, when we are equally human (not the same, just equally human).

        I understand honouring and respecting your parents as long as you live—and I realise that this doesn’t mean obeying them per se. But I want to know: is a man’s “head” his own father until he gets married? I only hear the word “head” applied to the fathers (or father figures) of young women, never young men. I don’t know how to go about figuring out if this is a more recent (past 20-100 years) idea, or if it is ancient, but it really makes women seem somehow inferior—like they aren’t capable of making mature, independent decisions under God and no one else. I know that isn’t what you mean, but it does come across that way.

        Above you asked why a father gives the bride away if it isn’t somehow related to a transfer of authority… I would like to submit (wow, bad pun) that this is not the case exactly. Rather, the father is saying of his daughter, who shares his name, that she will now take on someone else’s name. There is a conscious choice being made between the bride, the groom, and both of their families.

        I’ll stop palavering here, as I must get some sleep. Thank you for your thoughtful replies, I know you don’t claim to be an expert in all of this… I appreciate you letting me question you about what you really mean by this particular word/idea of headship.

        Cheers!

      2. Nicholai Stuckwisch Avatar
        Nicholai Stuckwisch

        Jody,

        I’m sorry to keep you waiting but today has been full of mor hectic activity than I was predicting. I’ll get back your comment ASAP, but that might not be till later this evening.

      3. Nicholai Stuckwisch Avatar
        Nicholai Stuckwisch

        Jody,

        Again, I apologize for not replying sooner.

        I want to preface this next comment with a disclaimer. What I’m about to try and talk about is something that has always seemed to make so much sense to when other have explained but always comes across wrong when I attempt to repeat it back to others. In attempting to describe headship to other people outside of my family’s church and immediate social circle, I have been accused of being incredibly sexist and inconsiderate. I do not believe that women are any way lesser than men or that men are in any way less to woman. I do believe that they are different, have different strengths and weakness, and different roles to which they are naturally inclined, but I don’t think they are unequal in worth, quality, or overall ability. Rather, they are like apples and peppers. Different in many ways and suited to very different settings/meals, but one, putting personal tastes aside, is not inherently better or worse than the other.

        You mentioned that men should seek the advice of their own fathers as well as the father of the woman they hope to marry, and this is absolutely true, but I think there is actually a difference between the role that the man’s father and the girl’s father should play in a relationship. When I went to my own dad for relationship advice several years ago he was actually the first one that presented me with the “rule” I propose in my post. “Whatever her father says is what you should do is what you should do.” He built on that by saying that I should always make sure that I adhere to the sixth commandment and encouraged me to try and go above beyond, but by and large, he told me that the girl’s father was the one responsible for overseeing and guiding our relationship not him. (Note: This was a situation where both I and there girl were young people still living at home with our parents)

        This is just to say that I think the man actually takes on the girl’s father as his own head for the duration of the relationship leading up to marriage. Of course, if I’m going to make that statement, I then need to talk about headship itself more. Since that seems to be the primary sticking point for our discussion, I should probably proceed to covering that.

        First, I want to address your question about whether or not a man’s father is his head until he gets married. We acknowledge in the Lord’s Prayer that God is Our Father and the relationship between us and our earthly father is a reflection or representation of our relationship with our heavenly Father. God is our head in all things, and while we are on earth, our earthly fathers are our heads as well. So father’s hold headship over their sons as well as their daughters, but I think part of the difference between the headship over sons and headship over daughters is that men will (usually) leave the authority and headship of his father to become the head of his own household.

        Ephesians 5:31 tells us “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” The man is the one that actively leaves his father’s headship and becomes the head of his own household. Women however transition from their father’s being their heads to their husbands being their heads.

        Well, what does it mean for someone to be your head? Does that mean women are always under the authority of someone else and are never independent? Is headship some kind of ruling office that gives fathers and husbands the ability to tell their wives what to do?

        No.

        Ephesians 5:22-33: “Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his
        body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so
        also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands,
        love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
        that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water
        with the word,”

        Just as fatherhood is a representation of God’s relationship with his children, marriage is a representation of Christ’s relationship with his Church. Christ is not a tyrannical slave master, but rather a protector who actually sacrifices his own well-being and life for the sake of his bride the Church. Having headship over someone, whether they be your wife or children, does not mean that they are your minions who must do your bidding. Instead it means they are under your protection and that you have a responsibility to care for them and see that their needs are met to the best of your ability.

        Wives are told in that verse from Ephesians to submit to their husbands and the fourth commandment tells children to obey their parents, but that submission is not one that bows its head to abuse and accepts tyranny. It is a submission that comes with the role of being the one who is served rather than the one who serves.

        “I’m her head so she gots to make me a sandwich!” is a statement derived from a total misunderstanding of what headship is. Instead, the head should provide for the needs (whether they be emotional, physical, or mental) of those given to his care rather than demand their services for himself.

        Another passage from Scripture that addresses headship is this one from Hebrews 13:17 “Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over
        your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this
        with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to
        you.”

        What is the responsibility of our leaders? To care for us, protect for us, guide us and strengthen us, and to ensure that our needs are met. Some leaders have more responsibilities than others, and the extent to which we should submit to them depends on the extent of their authority. The President is my leader but he does not have the authority to tell me I can’t go to church. The police are my leaders but they do not have the right to tell me I can’t go to a particular school. There are abuses of authority and leadership that we do not have to submit to, but with the blessings that good leaders provide comes the requirement that we submit to their authority.

        How does headship look than for a woman who is living outside of her father’s home and halfway across the country at the age of 35? That is harder for me to provide a concrete answer to because culture was so different during Biblical times that I don’t think such a situation was one needing to be addressed, but I cannot find any indication that a father’s headship over his daughter ends in the same way that it does for men unless she gets married.

        Even if a woman is self sufficient and totally supporting herself, I think that father’s do have a responsibility for ensuring that their daughters needs are met and that she is cared for. Maybe that just means keeping in touch with her and making sure she doesn’t need anything, but I think to some extent he should still play that role in her life. He doesn’t get to tell her how to live her life, and he doesn’t need to pay her bills for her, but he should make sure she is safe and cared for as much as possible.

        Then, when someone seeks her hand in marriage, he should exercise his headship by attempting to make sure that this man who is interested in his daughter will properly care for her and do what he should have been doing up until that point. That doesn’t mean threatening the dude with a shotgun or even that they have to get to know each other on a deep personal level, but a father should (God willing and in a best case scenario) be able to confidently hand his daughter over to her new husband knowing that he will care for her as Christ cares for his church.

        This transition of headship doesn’t even mean that the woman then needs to give up her job and submit to being a stay at home mama. I think my own Aunt and Uncle are an excellent example of this. My aunt works full time as the head OBGYN at the main hospital in the city where they live. She and my uncle have seven children, and while my uncle is very active in various activities around the community and works as a writer, he actually serves in what most people would call the role traditionally reserved for the stay at home parent. However, he is still the head of his household in the sense that he guides and instructs in his children, raises them and catechizes them in the church, ensures that needs of his wife are met, and fights any battles than need to be fought for his family. They have actually found a beautifully and fully functional way of adapting paternal headship to a modern day situation where the wife and mother of the family is bringing home the bacon.

        In ancient times, I think it was actually just very uncommon for a woman to be unmarried and moved out of her father’s house. In the Biblical world, I really just haven’t gotten the impression that that was a “thing.” For better or for worse, that’s not the world we live in today it would be foolish to act otherwise, but I really think that headship is still relevant today.

        I can’t tell you why men get to be heads and women are to submit to their husbands with some kind of logical or biological explanation. The only thing I have to put forward for this argument is Scripture itself. God didn’t give us these directions and commands because he is mean or wanted to cause problems, but it is the way he ordered the universe. The fact that we don’t like it is a result of our fallen sinfulness. “Men are lazy and women are usurpers” is a phrase I have heard many times, and is basically addressing the fact that God ordered things so that men are supposed to care for and provide for women but our sinful nature rebels and attempts to do the opposite. Men don’t want to be providers and protectors and women do.

        At this point I feel like I am rambling, and I don’t wish to repeat myself and unnecessary number of times or throw too much out there at once so I’ll try to wrap things up here quickly, but what I mainly concerned about getting across is fourfold.

        1. Headship isn’t about being Lord over someone else like a master over his servant. It is about being a protector and provider of whatever needs the one he has headship over might have.

        2. Headship certainly seems to be rooted in Scripture and should be a representation of God and his children (in the case of parents and their offspring) and Christ and his Church (in the case of husbands and wives). With this comes the concept that men eventually leave the headship of their parents to become heads of their own household while women transition from having their father as their heads to having husbands as their heads.

        3. The world we live in today differs in many days from the world of Biblical times so I struggle with figuring out how to adapt headship so that it fits with situations where fathers are not present, abusive, inattentive, or actually passed away, and in situations where women have long been away from their family. I believe that Scripture is timeless and the Word of God to still be true, but I am not 100% sure how it is supposed to look in today’s world.

        4. I don’t think women are inferior to men. I really don’t. I’m sorry for giving that impression to people in the past, and if I have given that impression here, I’m sorry for that as well. I think men should serve women, and I think men should respect women, but I also believe that women are to submit to their father’s and husbands as their protectors and heads. This is not because I personally feel like men are better suited to being leaders; it is because it seems clear to me that God has told us this is the way it should be in Scripture.

        Anyway, I hope that is helpful. I apologize for throwing so many words at you at once, and I encourage you to continue sending more critiques and questions my way. I’m still learning and seeking answers to some of these questions myself.

        Pax.

      4. Nicholai Stuckwisch Avatar
        Nicholai Stuckwisch

        P.S. I didn’t realize just how long that reply was… I have issues with briefness and I apologize.

        P. P. S. I feel like this article does a good job and a more efficient job of describing Headship from a Scriptural perspective. http://carm.org/questions/about-doctrine/what-does-it-mean-when-bible-says-man-head-woman.

      5. Jody Byrkett Avatar

        Nicholai,

        No worries, I was at work and then with friends until a little bit ago anyway. 🙂

        Thank you for your thoughts and answers above. I definitely see where you are coming from (I grew up in a pretty conservative circle). I appreciate that you are aware that translating first century (and prior) cultural ideas to our culture meets with some discrepancy/difficulty.

        I think I finally pinned down what bothers me most about the “headship” idea: the only times the Bible ever says a man is the head of a woman is in the Ephesians 5 passage you mentioned, and then in I Corinthians 11:3—”But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.” Perhaps Jake would have something to say on the I Cor. passage, but I have not studied it enough to know any historical/linguistic context. At face value, I see that there needs to be some sort of hierarchy, so God is giving one.

        What I see more in Scripture is that Christ is the head of the body, the head of the Church, the head of man. What I never see is that the father is the head of his children (grown or otherwise), other than in the OT it talks about the heads of the father’s house (which is a phrase used over and again and seems to be a title of authority in the community). Obviously parents have authority (non-abusive, as you mentioned) over their children. Ideally (or culturally at the time) the children grew up and married and they became their own households, etc.

        I see scriptural precedent for men to be leaders, to have authority, etc., but I don’t see it continuing from a father over an adult daughter when she moves out on her own. At that point I think she still respects/honours her parents and seeks wise counsel, but Christ is her head.

        You have been very gracious in explaining your ideas, and I certainly think that you have a high regard for women by the things you have said. I would be glad to continue this conversation if you have more to say—perhaps via e-mail, so that others can express other thoughts or responses on your original piece here.
        I can message you my e-mail address if you don’t have it. Just let me know. 🙂

  2. Nicholai Stuckwisch Avatar
    Nicholai Stuckwisch

    Yours is an excellent question and indeed the question I have heard most commonly brought against the basic argument I presented in my article.

    The sentence that you quoted from my post was not meant to undermine the thoughts or feelings of the girl involved in the relationship at all. That particular sentence was meant more to define what I meant by “head” than as a comment on the capabilities of a woman to be involved in a relationship.

    What I see as the ideal route here is not a process whereby the man and woman in the relationship completely concede any and all authority over to the father or other head in the relationship in a kind of master-servant situation, but rather that the couple interact with an concede authority in more of a mentor-student position. In this light, I don’t think it is unreasonable by any means for a woman (especially a grown woman with an already established independence and place in the community) to figure out for herself who she is interested in marrying nor do I think it is at all wrong or unreasonable for her make calls about when she might be ready to actually take the next step and get married.

    As I stated in my post, I am a long ways away from being an expert on relationships, but experience leads me to believe that people who are romantically interested in each other are prone to becoming (for lack of a better word) twitterpaited and less than entirely logical in their decision making processes. Even men and women in their twenties and thirties are human beings with fickle emotions and a tendency to develop blind spots. The goal of having a third party mentor, one who is preferably already married, experienced with the process of developing a relationship, and knowledgeable about at least one of the people in the couple, is to serve as a sage adviser capable of providing relatively unbiased and helpful advice when either side of the couple might be struggling to reconcile wisdom with their current feelings.

    Secondly, most of the people I have seen go through relationships have hit bumps in the road where they question whether or not they are doing things “the right way.” While I think this is more true for younger individuals, our desire as Christians to remain pure and upright in all things rightly causes us to examine and questions our actions. With a father-like figure and head presiding over the relationship like a mentor/teacher, there is someone to provide an answer to the question “Is this OK?” when it comes up.

    I am not thinking of the girl’s head as the provider of her material and physical welfare. It is clear that fathers and mothers stop being in charge of ensuring that their children are getting dressed, getting up on time in the morning, and doing their chores after they become adults and move out of the house. However, the fourth commandment holds true for the entire duration of our lives and to a certain extent our parents always maintain a certain level of headship over us. Even for a thirty plus year old woman living on her own halfway across the country, her father is still her (for lack of a better word) spiritual or emotional head until she gets married.

    At a wedding the father gives away and hands over his daughter to the groom. If he did not still maintain any level of headship how could he possibly give her away?

    I suppose that is a very rough about way of getting to an answer, but I think the answer is both yes and no. In many ways adult women living on their own with some distance between them and their family are absolutely authorities over their own lives and will have a lot more control over how their relationships are conducted than a 15 or 16 year old living at home, but at the same time, even in those kinds of situations, I still believer there is a place for a father figure (whether it be an actual father, an uncle, a pastor, or even just a close family friend) to serve as a guiding mentor for the couple.

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