This past Wednesday night, Biola University held an event titled “The Future of the Church.” The event brought together four theologians from differing wings of Christendom to engage in both predictive and normative dialogue on, you guessed it, the future of the Church. The four speakers included Pentecostal Simon Chan of Singapore, Anglican Ephraim Radner, Catholic Thomas Rausch, and Evangelical Free Fred Sanders. In what follows in this article is something of a truncated transcript of the event, outlining the speakers’ responses to the question, “What is the Future of the Church?” (Please note that sometimes the quotations of the speakers are paraphrases and not exact statements)

Simon Chan

Chan, a Pentecostal systematic theologian at Trinity Theological College, Singapore, brought a unique perspective as to the future of the Church in the Global South. Most denominations in the Global South are thriving, Chan noted, and many have cut off their links with their parent bodies. The reason, he argued, is due to Christianity’s “deep spiritual affinity with primal religiosity.”1 This spiritual affinity results in a right emphasis on the centrality of the gospel and the primacy of the Church’s mission in word and deed.

The flourishing and growing charismatic Christianity of the Global South is thus very diverse, with the potential for a “dark side” of bizarre rituals, trends of churches rapidly splitting from each other, and the difficulty of being able to tell the difference between a “market driven life and a purpose driven life.” Global charismatic Christianity is at a crossroads, needing sound theological leadership in the midst of an over-realized eschatology and a highly spiritualized approach to ecumenism Chan calls a “docetic ecclesiology.” There is much hope, however, for global charismatic Christianity has brought life in the Holy Spirit not only to its own people, but also to other ecclesial bodies such as Catholics.

Ephraim Radner

Radner, an Anglican historical theologian at the Toronto School of Theology, gave a primarily biblical-theological approach to the question. “The future of the Church,” Radner’s emphasizes, “is to become something none of us has any sense of concretely in this point in time.” 1 John 3:2, he argues, applies both to individuals and to the Church as a whole:

“Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.”

To speak of the future of the Church to Radner, is to speak of “something disappearing” and a “contested becoming.” Radner’s position is beholden to a strong eschatological purification of the Church, for the eschatological future is of the Church “becoming changed into the bride of Christ.” Radner’s position seems very controversial to Catholics, Orthodox, and some Anglicans (though probably agreeable to many Evangelicals) who view their institutions as the true, historical, and lasting Church of the apostles. Below are a few of the most controversial statements of Radner:

“There is a church, but we do not know what/where it is. However, we know with certainty we are bound to this place of which we are ignorant.”

“The future of the Church has no obvious relationship to the churches of today. It lies in the uncertain path of the church enduring.”

“If we were to evaluate our churches today according to such future, I am certain everything about what we do today as churches would change profoundly.”

Thomas Rausch

Rausch, a Roman Catholic theologian at Loyola Marymount University, proclaimed that his response to the question is an “ecumenical perspective.” Rausch begins by noting the astonishing historical truth that today there are 43,000 denominations globally; in 1900, there were 1,600. This is unacceptable to Rausch for “Christian unity from a Roman Catholic perspective means a communion of churches sharing a common heritage and sharing in visible union with one another.”

Rausch is a large proponent of the World Council of Churches which emphasizes: (1) Each local church ought to be in union with other local churches, (2) The nature of the Church is missional, for it proclaims the gospel, celebrates the sacraments, and celebrates newness of life in Christ, and (3) The Church is a Eucharistic community.

There are two trends that raise important challenges to the worldwide Church. First, 61% of the world’s Christians are in the Global South. 628 million of the world’s Christians are Pentecostals, Charismatics, and Independent Charismatics. These communities care less for doctrinal precision and ecclesiology, emphasizing instead the healing of mind, body, soul, spirit, and society. Amongst these churches, many of them are anti-ecumenical. Second, the growth of the “nones” in the West. Rausch claims, “If anything that should move our separated churches together, it should be the increasing number of the ‘nones.’”

He ends with a series of penetrating questions that reveal Rausch’s commitment to the ecclesiology of the Roman Catholic Church:

“Is the church [just] any community of disciples gathered in the spirit? Or, is there a Christological foundation expressed in common structures, ritual, faith and mission? Is it possible that some Christian communities might not fully realize what it means to be a part of the Church, but should find a home within a larger church? Is living in visible communion with other churches important for the ecclesial reality of a Christian community? Is Christian unity a value for your church? Will tomorrow’s church be a global communion of Churches sharing a common faith, life, and mission? Or, will it be an infinite number of separate communities ever more divided in faith and life?”

Fred Sanders

Sanders, an Evangelical systematic theologian at Biola University, represented a broadly evangelical perspective toward the question (though he was quick to say that he does not represent all evangelicals). Sanders, if I can say this, is evangelical through and through; he is low church (“by choice” he says), congregationalist in ecclesiology, though he argues for Evangelicalism as a movement founded on the gospel, not an ecclesiology.2

Sanders, I believe, winsomely and humorously argues for the dispositions and key emphases of Evangelicalism. Sanders speaks fondly of his fellow Evangelicals whose central concern is, “Do you know Jesus? Have you met him?” Not “Do you go to Church?” Or, “Do you self-identify as a Christian when the pollsters come around?” But, “Do you really know Jesus? Have you been born again?”

Sanders concludes with a statement that I believe concords with the broad Evangelical disposition towards Church Unity, “I’m not envisioning a future in which I budge on any of the key principles [of my wing of evangelicalism]. But I do wanna picture a future in which the unity of the Church is visible to the world around us and is held deeply and felt deeply in our own hearts.”

Table Discussion

In the ensuing table talk after the opening statements, there were a few key threads of the conversation that continued to pop up. These threads, I believe, bring new avenues of thought to the conversations here at Conciliar Post. Too often here we reduce Church Unity to institutional/ecclesiological unity, a reduction that, though important, is in no way unity in its entirety.

(1) Church unity is not reducible to institutional unity.

-Sanders: “In the Roman Catholic church, you have a strong commitment to institutional unity, but deep divisions internally. There’s the Methodist story, the Anglican story. We all have the same [story].”

(2) A purely spiritual/invisible understanding of Church Unity stunts the transformative power of the Church in the world.

-Rausch: “If we so spiritualize our understanding of the Church, then we lose out on the calling of the church to be transformative of the world. It can become so individualistic.”

(3) The visibility of Church unity is not synonymous with ecclesial structures.

-Radner: “Ecclesial structures are sometimes used to mean visibility. I think bodies are the issue. It has to do with praying together, with space, with voice, with [where we give our] money.”

-Chan: “Where we express our commonalities as sinful together in fellowship, is where our unity is most visible. We need to constantly look at life situations where unity is applied differently.”

(4) The future of the Church is deeply uncertain particularly as a result of globalization.

-Radner: “We are in such a global transition socially that we haven’t a clue as to where this is going. Would anybody think it’s worth to make a prediction where Pentecostalism will be 25 years from now? I don’t think we know what unity will look like right now. There is so much turmoil as to what Christianity is becoming. Does anybody have any idea of what Christianity will become in the Middle East? Could anybody have predicted [the driving out of Christians from the Middle East]? What makes us think that’s not gonna happen anywhere else?”

Peter Leithart

Biblical scholar and theologian Peter Leithart3 provided the closing statement to the conversation. Leithart agrees with the centrality of the Evangelical question of Sanders, “do you know Jesus?” This question, he argues, is the genius of Evangelicalism, for it protests against any kind of nominal Christianity. However, the follow up to the question cannot be one that disregards Church unity, for the knowledge of Jesus must mean fighting for a unified future for the Church. Leithart concludes, “Is the Jesus that you know:

(1) A New Adam that has a bride?
(2) One who has given his life, breaking down barriers between Jews and Gentiles, transgressing boundaries?
(3) The one who said “do this,” and meant “do this together”?
(4) The one who prayed that all his disciples would be one?”

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1. All quotations are from the event, “The Future of the Church,” held at Biola University The link to the video of the event is below.

2. The high churchers of Conciliar Post might be surprised to find out that Sanders’s chief scholarly research topic is on the doctrine of the Trinity.

3. The event is in some ways a continuation of a conversation begun by Leithart two years ago. Two years ago Biola held an event entitled, “The Future of Protestantism,” begun by Leithart’s article, “The End of Protestantism” over at First Things. I outlined my thoughts on that event in a previous article, shown below.

https://prahlowjacob-pvcnh.wpcomstaging.com/theology-spirituality/thinking-about-church-unity-as-a-protestant-a-lot-of-questions-with-very-few-answers/

(The photo is from Justin Kern, without edit at www.flickr.com)[/wpex]

28 responses to “What is the Future of the Church?”

  1. Benjamin Winter Avatar
    Benjamin Winter

    I enjoyed your transcript and reflections, George, especially in light of our forthcoming round table. The one phrase that struck me was Leithart’s claim that evangelicalism “protects against any kind of nominal Christianity.” I had never thought of it this way before, and I wonder whether such is indeed the case. First of all, isn’t it true that even an evangelical can be a nominal Christian? If so, and if human nature is the same regardless of what denomination or group one finds oneself in, then the possibility for being a hypocrite remains constant. Is Leithart’s position something like this: “True, you can be a hypocrite in any denomination, but evangelical churches have more built-in mechanisms to prevent this behavior?” If so, I would be pressed to think of reasons why this is really the case. Maybe you can help me out? Is there something about being an evangelical that changes our human nature so that the potential to be a hypocrite is removed, or markedly different than said potential if one is a member of a different Christian group?

    Second, we have to ask the question of whether guarding against the presence of nominal Christians is really even important. It strikes me that said ‘guarding’ or ‘protecting’ could turn into its own form of Pharisaical intervention, wherein we become concerned with judging something very personal (i.e. the relationship of one’s neighbor to Jesus) that simply doesn’t admit of being judged.

    So all this leads me to think that the point about “do you know Jesus” and “protecting against nominal Christians” is really no point at all, and not in fact a benefit of evangelicalism.

    1. George Aldhizer Avatar
      George Aldhizer

      I apologize Ben, I misquoted Leithart. He said that the genius of Evangelicalism is that in posing the central question “Do you know Jesus?” evangelicalism protests (not protects) against any form of nominal Christianity. In other words, the centrality of knowing Jesus in evangelicalism protests against nominal Christianity.

      Certainly, there can be nominal evangelicals who either don’t believe the gospel or (much more likely) do not live it out. A few thoughts on your questions. First, it may be that being a “nominal evangelical” is different than being a nominal Catholic, for the faith/practice distinction is greater in the former than in the latter. In other words, the former may *know Jesus/believe the gospel* more than the latter, but may just the same be a hypocrite/not live out the gospel.

      Second, I do think it’s important to guard against nominal Christianity, though maybe not in the way you are suggesting that would mean. I think the thought of Leithart is that evangelicalism places the gospel front and center. People in evangelicalism do not define themselves by “going to Mass” or “going to church” or being a part of a certain denomination. The identity of an evangelical is most fundamentally their relationship to Christ, and then secondarily any ecclesiological affiliation. I’m not trying to set up a straw man in which evangelicalism wins and others lose, or to say that Catholicism equals “going to Mass” over and against one’s relationship with Jesus. However…

      Third, it’s very interesting to me what was told to me about Catholicism growing up. I think most principally I was told (1) Catholics just perform rote ritual and (2) Most Catholics don’t know Jesus. I think that the first is false, liturgy does not equal nominal Christianity, that’s just not true. However, I dunno about the second. It seems that so much of Catholicism in America is filled with people who “go to Mass” (however often a year) and do not know the gospel. I’m pretty surprised we haven’t had a chat about nominal Christianity on this site yet, either thinking introspectively as to one’s own people or asking the question about other slices of Christendom. Maybe we here at CP don’t do that because we all assume (probably rightly) that none of us on the site are cafeteria Catholics/Evangelicals/Orthodox, and so asking the question would be futile. I dunno.

      To speak statistically of this phenomenon, this just came out today.

      http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/09/15/half-of-u-s-adults-raised-catholic-have-left-the-church-at-some-point/

      1. Benjamin Winter Avatar
        Benjamin Winter

        Very interesting reflections, George! I feel silly for writing up a whole repartee against something that Leithart didn’t actually say. 😉 But I appreciate your patience with me and your willingness to nonetheless address my concerns.

        By way of response, I agree with your analysis that religions that place higher value on rites and rituals are automatically subject to de-personalizing dangers. Recent Popes (under the broad heading “The New Evangelization”) have stressed exactly that factor–the centrality of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

        To clarify, I’m in no position to judge whether the dangers or threats of over-emphasizing relationship>ritual are equivalent to those of the opposite distortion…my guess it that the dangers are the same on either side of the balance beam. Human nature retains the same tendencies to return to the vomit of our own sin (to paraphrase 2 Peter). In addition, just as there are different degrees of active participation in mass, there are different degrees of active relationship with the Lord.

        So the real question remaining that would be worth discussing between you and I would be the balance of ritual and relationship, and their inter-connection or lack thereof. =) But perhaps we’ll save that for a round table on Sacraments, or something (Sacraments NOT in the sense of any particular one, but in the sense of their place in Christian faith and life).

      2. George Aldhizer Avatar
        George Aldhizer

        I agree with you, I’m not trying to be an apologist for low church evangelicalism here. I agree that there are dangers wherever you are, and I don’t think there is an easy formula between relationship and ritual. The dangers are different I think when one is emphasized over and against the other.

        I guess I’m still interested in how American Catholicism, particularly those that buy into the official teaching of the Church, seems so filled with liberalism and cultural/cafeteria Catholics.

      3. mmchanb Avatar
        mmchanb

        George, I respectfully disagree that “evangelicalism places the gospel front and center.” what it places front and center is the truth that Jesus died for our sins. What it fails to place front and center is the only message that Jesus called ever called “the gospel” (Mar 1:14-15; Mat 4:17, Luk 16:16) and commanded His disciples to proclaim as gospel (Mat 24:14, Luk 10:9-11). That same message, the apostles preached as gospel (Act 8:12; 20:25; 28:31).

        Tragically, evangelicalism (which I love and appreciate) usually follows the message of atonement with a thoroughly unbiblical claim that if one believes that Jesus died for their sins, they have eternal life. Rather, the apostles demanded for eternal life, that one believe (John 20:31) that Jesus is the Psalm 2 Anointed (Christ) and Psalm 2 Son of God, titles which Psalm 2 ascribe to the King of God’s kingdom and the rightful King of all the earth. Romans 10:9 boils it all down to the title “Lord” or Master.

        The discovery of this grave error was the first step toward my renunciation of Protestantism. There is still much to celebratw about Protestantism like its unparalleled translation endeavors, so please don’t misunderstand me as bashing the branch of Christianity that gave birth to my own faith in the Lord Jesus.

      4. George Aldhizer Avatar
        George Aldhizer

        Yeah, I’m with you to a certain extent. I’m sometimes frustrated at the evangelical reducing of the gospel to a penal substitutionary atonement. I’m with you.

        (I think that it’s difficult to speak “of evangelicalism” in the first place, but I think we can do it to some degree. Maybe what I’m speaking of in this is my particularly Presbyterian existence within Evangelicalism)

        Though, I’m not sure that tells the whole story. While “the gospel” might not have in mind christus victor (one of your concerns I gather), or the sacraments, or social justice to most evangelicals, I think there are a number of things that they get right. “The Gospel” to Evangelicals seems to be most principally connected to sin and daily repentance, the cross and sacrifice of Christ for the individual, the distinction between faith and works, and the righteousness of Christ given to us by faith. While deficient and blinded to other very important sweeps of scripture (the “Kingdom of God” being most obviously absent), I think these things do get at the heart of the gospel.

        Most interestingly to me, believing in a “heart of the gospel” seems to me to be tethered to the evangelical view of ecclesiology. For if there is a heart of the gospel that isn’t tied to the Church, then it can be shared across denominational/confessional boundaries.

      5. mmchanb Avatar
        mmchanb

        If you’ll allow, I’d like to press you on this, George. Sola Scriptura, what is the gospel? That is to say, which scriptures use the word “gospel” and include the definition of it?

      6. George Aldhizer Avatar
        George Aldhizer

        What is your pressing hoping to elucidate? I don’t think I’m gathering where you trying to go with this conversation (I certainly welcome being pressed, just trying to clarify).

        Maybe I’m not the one to answer your question, given that I probably don’t believe in most Evangelical’s conception of Sola Scriptura. To be transparent, I think I believe in the Anglican view of Scripture as having primacy, with tradition/history informing our understanding of Scripture as prime (the Anglican view from what I gather is similar to the Orthodox view of Scripture as having some sort of chief position within holy tradition).

        But, I think I probably believe in some sort of “heart of the gospel” that can transcend denominational boundaries. I think that is probably required in order for us to view each other as Christians here at Conciliar Post. And that heart of the gospel, I want to argue, is contained within Evangelicalism.

        I certainly don’t think that the gospel can be contained within a few bible verses I could regurgitate, or simply within most Evangelicals conception of it. Though, for the sake of argument, I think Evangelicals conceive of the Gospel as for the forgiveness of sins (see beginning of Matthew and Mark), for salvation through the revealing of righteousness for all who believe (Romans 1:16-17), gospel of grace for redemption to the glory of Christ who is over all things (Eph. 1:3-14).

        I dunno, let me in on why you are asking?

      7. mmchanb Avatar
        mmchanb

        Hi, George. No ulterior motive, just exactly what I asked: what is the gospel according to specific Scriptures which employ the word “gospel.” Protestant tradition has taught evangelicals a fuzzy (at best) gospel, and your response appeared to follow evangelicals’ tradition. No insult intended. I love the passion of evangelicals for “gospel” presentations. Their passion (as was mine) is tragically channeled to tradition rather than the gospel of Scriptura. If you ever take me up on the question, I believe you will find it personally beneficial and eye-opening.

      8. George Aldhizer Avatar
        George Aldhizer

        I’m not sure you understood my response, maybe I’m not being very clear. I don’t conceive of myself as an Evangelical (still working through that one), or as someone who would respond with the answers I gave in my comment above. I think the gospel is far bigger (and better news) than the three scriptures I quoted. My point was to say that I do think that the Evangelical answer to the question “What is the Gospel?” Gets at the heart of the Gospel.

        Underlying that point is an ecclesiological one. If one disagrees that the Evangelical answer to the question does *not* get at the heart of the gospel, then how can one say that Evangelicals are in Christ? If one disagrees, what identifies Evangelicals as being a part of a “Christian tradition” that we can have “meaningful dialogue” with (to use CP’s motto)?

        To be more transparent, I’m currently moving in the direction of the Anglican Church.

      9. mmchanb Avatar
        mmchanb

        Thanks, George. No need to answer my question if you don’t want to. I apologize if I gave the impression of pigeon-holing you in a label (evangelical), since that was not my intent, but to encourage you to explore an important doctrine with specificity.

        To answer your first question though, one’s ability to identify the gospel with specificity does not determine whether one is “in Christ,” much less detract from the ability to have meaningful dialogue. To your second question, Evangelicalism is undoubtedly a truly “Christian tradition” because it agrees with the fundamental unity of the Christian faith as Paul outlined in Ephesians 4 and bears nearly 500 years of tradition.

        Best regards to you and your journey of faith,
        Matthew

  2. Greg Herr Avatar
    Greg Herr

    Matt Jensen (Moderator) quoted Rausch: ‘Catholicity not visible is not real.’ Most significant statement of the event.

    1. Benjamin Winter Avatar
      Benjamin Winter

      I would encourage you to read Lumen Gentium paragraph 8 (begins with “Christ, the one Mediator, established and continually sustains here on earth His holy Church…”) to get the official stance of the Catholic Church on this issue. Needless to say, it’s not so simple as the Rausch quote implies. The Church document states that “the visible assembly and the spiritual community … form one complex reality which coalesces from a divine and a human element.”

      In addition, I would also recommend reading this section of the Catechism, which details the Catholic Church in relation to other ecclesial communions: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm

      Sources: Lumen Gentium = http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

      Also check out Unitatis Redintegratio (especially paragraph 3) = http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html

      1. Greg Herr Avatar
        Greg Herr

        Yes, thank you. I’m familiar with the documents.

        Rausch’s quote does not imply simplicity. It succinctly stated a reality rooted and
        based in Christology and Ecclesiology, as well as the ‘Catholic stance.’ Jesus
        is an intact unity, held together visibly—we know this because people saw and
        touched Him. Ergo the Church, the Body of Christ. The term “Body” did not originate with the Catholic Church; it comes from Scripture.

        This is not a rejection—by any means—of other Christians
        or their communities (ie, in particular the reference Unitatis, and I would
        add: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html
        to *strengthen your* argument :)).

        It is, however, taking seriously what Jesus meant in Jn 17—Evangelism occurs best when regular folks can observe something intact and which coheres.

        Evangelism may indeed occur when this does not exist, which is why the
        Catholic Church recognizes and acknowledges that. Rausch was [simply] stating that something real is tangible, visible, and intact.

        Just like Jesus.

  3. Sunny Avatar
    Sunny

    “And let’s silently deny the Orthodox Church a voice in this discussion so it doesn’t have the chance to show any more of our bright young people that it is both the past and the future of the holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.”

    1. Benjamin Winter Avatar
      Benjamin Winter

      Yes, let’s do that! That way, people will be sure to make passive-aggressive statements about our intentions.

      1. Greg Herr Avatar
        Greg Herr

        Yeah, it would’a been really helpful to have an Orthodox theologian there last Wed.

      2. Sunny Avatar
        Sunny

        It is futile to have a discussion about “the future of the church” and not include Orthodoxy. It is my conviction and many others’ that Orthodoxy *is* that future, just as it is our common yet unacknowledged past.

      3. Greg Herr Avatar
        Greg Herr

        No kidding! We papists rely on the Orthodox to straighten us out! Note to Biola: Next time….. 🙂

      4. Benjamin Winter Avatar
        Benjamin Winter

        I agree with you in the ideal, but practically things can’t always be perfect. I just thought that your comment was a bit extreme. It certainly isn’t ideal to have such a discussion without an Orthodox representative, but it’s also certainly not “futile.” A modicum of progress could certainly be made without the presence of an Orthodox spokesperson. For example, from your perspective, couldn’t progress be made in such a conversation (namely, one without an Orthodox spokesperson) if one of the results of the conversation was “Hey, we need an Orthodox person here next time!”?

      5. Sunny Avatar
        Sunny

        It is possible. And I admit that I often come off as extreme because I don’t have patience for the mere exchange of ideas about something so important to me. The various speakers at this conference seemed content to present their own theory crafted to justify the status quo in the West. But there is something fundamentally wrong in all this and in this sense it was wise to exclude Orthodoxy, because Orthodoxy cannot support such a view of the Church which is the underlying agreement between all Western Christians. To challenge such an assumption would have been awkward, but I believe that is the key. These people should look not to their own reason for an answer but to the church fathers, and the church fathers’ Church.

      6. Greg Herr Avatar
        Greg Herr

        3 cheers.

      7. Benjamin Winter Avatar
        Benjamin Winter

        Thanks for this clarification!

      8. Sunny Avatar
        Sunny

        I hope you will forgive me if I have been quite as much an arrogant jerk as your comments suggest. But whether or not I have been an arrogant jerk (I wouldn’t put it past me) one thing is for sure, it is my honest conviction and belief that Orthodoxy is the answer to the question at hand here.

      9. Benjamin Winter Avatar
        Benjamin Winter

        I respect strong convictions, and heartily agree with the point you made; I am also concerned that we continue to give an account for our faith “with gentleness and reverence” (1 Peter 3:15-16), especially on a website that is purposefully ecumenical. 🙂

      10. Sunny Avatar
        Sunny

        Forgive me, brother. I do not doubt that you have perceived rightly about my approach, even if that wasn’t my intention. That is the rub about communicating online. It’s natural to be sensitive in person, whereas online I tend to slip into dialectics mode and forget about my humanity and the humanity of those to whom and about whom I speak.

  4. mmchanb Avatar
    mmchanb

    I love the closing quote, George.

  5. Greg Herr Avatar
    Greg Herr

    Loved that from Simon Chan. I think the Incarnation ought to inform our ecclesiology. Sinew and all. 🙂

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