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Thus Spoke Pontius

What do we know, and how do we know it? These are fundamental philosophical questions, and whether we realize it or not, how we answer these questions informs the very way we think about the world. In science, we rely on empirical thought; we know what can be tested. In history, we rely on corroboration of independent sources. Not every method of knowing can be applied in every circumstance. We cannot put five Julius Ceasars at the Rubicon and see how many cross the river; the scientific method does not confirm matters of Roman politics. Different approaches to knowing have their uses, and each contribute to a totality of knowledge—as long as we don’t allow a method to assume it can answer questions for which it is unfit.

These are fairly basic ideas. Plenty of folks learn about epistemology (that is, the study of knowledge) in an intro philosophy class. Contemporary Christian apologetics will often touch on it. Unfortunately, despite these questions helping us understand what we know about the world and our lives, it seems all too rare to encounter much serious reflection or humility when it comes to matters of knowing how we know.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot this week. It’s Holy Week as I write this, though to tell the truth that’s just a coincidence. It does, however, provide some food for thought. Before his crucifixion, Jesus is brought before the Roman prefect of Judea, Pontius Pilate. The Son of God announces that he was sent into the world to proclaim the truth, and that those on the side of truth listen to him. Pontius is unmoved. He asks, “What is truth?” and leaves the room (John 18:37-38).

The moment drips with irony. The answer to the official’s question sat before his own eyes, but he was blind to it. Jesus not only spoke the truth; he said he was Truth itself.

In any system of thought, one must make some baseline assumptions before constructing a body of knowledge. For example, in astrophysics, it’s assumed that the laws of nature are consistent throughout the universe. We can’t exactly zip around the universe to confirm this. It’s just what we roll with. Some people make the assumption that the material universe is all that there is. Some think there might be something outside the universe, but whatever is there does not or cannot interact with our universe.

We can be rather dogmatic about these assumptions, even (or perhaps, especially) when our epistemology is unable to convincingly account for them–I have yet to meet a scientist who has looked under the tablecloth of the universe, and yet the pro-science, anti-religion memes that circulate Facebook and denigrate the intelligence of believers (and even secular philosophers!) would make one think that scientists had finally visited the gates of Heaven and found the place deserted. Perhaps it’s more tribalism than reason that drives our pursuit of knowledge sometimes.

Bringing things back to Jesus, we believers make our own set of assumptions. We believe that there is more than the material universe, that what lies beyond the material can and does affect our universe.

We also believe in the trustworthiness of Scripture. Apologists can talk all day about the New Testament being the most reliable of all ancient documents we possess, but how many of the faithful who don’t have academic interests actually know about that sort of thing? Many choose to simply assume that the Gospels are reliable. That trips some people the first time an evangelist of atheism comes swinging a Bart Ehrman quotation they read on the internet, but there are also plenty of believers who maintain that simple devotion all their lives.

We believe what the texts tells us about Jesus, his divinity, and his death and resurrection. That’s an assumption we make—or a leap of faith, we might say. We can’t verify that by scientific method. We can’t do a study where we crucify ten Sons of God and ten normal guys as a control group and see what happens. Still, unlike Pilate, we don’t turn away. We choose to believe.

We reject Pilate’s choice and we should reject Marcion’s as well. Marcion was a second century troublemaker who didn’t much like the orthodox teachings of the day. He excised the Old Testament from his version of the canon and whittled away at the New Testament until just ten of Paul’s epistles and a butchered version of Luke remained. Sometimes we’re tempted to play the part of Marcion; there are a lot of Scriptures, some of which are very inconvenient. Might it be better if we rejected them? Personally, I find Matthew chapters 5-7 uncomfortably demanding; perhaps this whole Christian thing would be less stressful and more fun if we removed sections like that.

On occasion, we want things both ways. We want to confess that Jesus is Lord, but we’d also rather not be in the same room with him. However, if we’ve made the assumption that Scripture is true and reliable, and that Jesus is Lord, but we’d rather practice selective application of the texts to our lives, we hit a snag. I believe that if a person only knows how to ask “What is true?” but not “How do I know what’s true?”, they could probably live with that contradiction their whole lives, picking and choosing what elements to apply to themselves and kicking the rest of it to the curb with nary a thought as to inconsistency. However, when we’re cognizant of how we decide what is true and are humble in our truth-seeking, it becomes obvious that something has to give: either our assumptions about the veracity of Scripture have to go or our stubbornness does. We can’t have it both ways.

Choosing our assumptions, ultimately, is something of a gamble. I believe Pascal once said something about that, and my assumption is that his own wager is now paying great dividends. I agree with the Frenchman; believing in the Truth is the best assumption one can make. Pontius Pilate once asked a very good philosophical question, but his mistake was to leave before hearing the answer and asking the follow-up question: How do I know the truth?

The answer, plainly, was to stay in the room with him.


 

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12 responses to “Thus Spoke Pontius”

  1. Phil Avatar
    Phil

    I would like to address your statement above, “In any system of thought, one must make some baseline assumptions before constructing a body of knowledge.” It appears that you are saying that “pro-science” advocates come to knowledge simply from a set of basic assumptions or hypotheses. I would agree that scientists start with certain hypotheses, but they attempt to challenge their own assumptions through a variety of experiments in an effort to disprove them. Furthermore, these studies and experiments are subjected to peer reviewed research. If they survive the rigorous process, these hypotheses eventually may graduate to theories. Even theories are not infallible as they often adapt as new information and scientific breakthroughs arrive on the scene.

    To say that astrophysicists make assumptions about parts of the universe that can’t be tested (yet) is true, but to act like this assumption is simply based on another assumption without evidence is a mis-characterization. Scientists make assumptions about the universe by building on evidence that is already well-established through rigorous use of the scientific method. If they encounter evidence that refutes their hypothesis, the original hypothesis is rejected.

    In your opening paragraph, you also seem to be suggesting that because there are multiple methods for discovering truth, it must follow that all of these methods are equally reliable. Clearly there are unreliable methods for determining truth, like astrology. Yet, you espouse that one must simply make a “leap of faith” to believe in the veracity of scripture. If someone told you to make a “leap of faith” with regard to the Q’uran, I would expect an objection from you.

    I also find the following statements a bit odd, “We can’t do a study where we crucify ten
    Sons of God and ten normal guys as a control group and see what happens.
    Still, unlike Pilate, we don’t turn away. We choose to believe.” You are correct to point out that such an experiment is unavailable to us, but you follow the first statement by committing the logical fallacy from ignorance. You are essentially positing, “I don’t know; therefore, I know,” when you assert that one must simply believe. It is really that hard to say, “I don’t know”? Unfortunately, we live in a culture where it is a sign of weakness to utter these words.

    I am actually in total agreement with you that everyone should ask the question, “How do I know what is true?”. However, I’m not convinced that an appeal to faith sufficiently answers this question.

    1. Phil Avatar
      Phil

      I concede your point that I overreached when I characterized him as saying that all sources are equally reliable. Allow me to rephrase: he seems to be saying that different approaches have their uses and that because science can’t perform an experiment on the resurrection of Jesus, that one must rely on faith (specifically faith as outlined in the Bible) to justify this claim because the Bible is more fit to do so.

      By what standard or method is the Bible more fit to answer this question? Simple assertions don’t suffice. I am seeking evidence for how belief in the Bible is chosen rather than choice in another holy book such as the Q’uran. I could simply assert that the Q’uran is true, citing faith without any other evidence.

      While I agree that there is a difference between a historical account of Jesus’ life and theology, no one would be making a big deal about its historical veracity 2000 years after the events if there weren’t extraordinary theological claims contained therein (i.e. bodily resurrection) that people still believe today. I was specifically addressing theological claims that one must have faith to believe in the resurrection of Jesus.

      For the record: (a) I’m not convinced of the Christian theology surrounding Jesus’s purported resurrection; (b) I’m not convinced that the New Testament portrays an accurate view of a historical Jesus; (c) I’m not convinced faith is sufficient for convincing me of either a or b; and (d) I am open to being convinced of the truth regarding any of the aforementioned statements if they are accompanied with sufficient evidence.

      As an aside, I would like to apologize to Chris for originally overreaching and thereby misrepresenting that portion of his article. However, I still stand by the other points in my original post.

      1. Alyssa Hall Avatar
        Alyssa Hall

        Hello Phil. Hopefully you and Ben won’t mind my interposing into your conversation for a brief stint.
        Perhaps Ben or Chris will have something to say in response to your above question,”By what standard or method is the Bible more fit to answer this question?” (I’m assuming you’re talking about objective truth? If not, please share!) In order to dialogue with you in an informed manner, I would appreciate hearing your stance on what constitutes absolute truth and what you actually do believe about the Bible, if anything. Also, I’m curious as to what your hang-ups are in conceding the basic tenets of the Christian faith, such as the resurrection of Jesus.
        To address your comment about the Qur’an, I’d like to say for the record, that I’m pretty confident no author on this blog would believe in the framework of Christianity without perceiving some compelling evidence that what our faith purports is consistent with observable reality. While it is true that we believe some things through pure faith without any visible, physical evidence, (I’m thinking of finer doctrinal points, not objective historical facts such as “Did Jesus fulfill the 100+ Messianic prophecies made about Him in the Old Testament?” He did, by the way.) far more often we believe what we do because it is logically consistent with what we know to be true.

        I’m praying God will guide you in your inquiry after truth.

        God Bless!

      2. Phil Avatar
        Phil

        Hello, Alyssa. I certainly take no issue with your interpolation! With regard to “absolute truth”, I would say that the most responsible time to accept a claim for truth is when the evidence is sufficient, not a moment before. This evidence needs to be testable, falsifiable, replicable, stable, and consistent. For example, If you tell me that someone died 2000 years ago, I am unlikely to dispute this claim because we have sufficient evidence that all human beings die. If you tell me that this person was bodily resurrected, we are speaking of another matter. Since all the reliable evidence we have thus far hasn’t indicated any confirmed instances of bodily resurrection throughout history, I would expect sufficient evidence for this claim.

        I’m not saying that I wouldn’t open to reliable evidence for Jesus’ resurrection (as I mentioned in my previous post). I simply care about the truth, and I think few would disagree with the general premise of living honestly is better than living dishonestly, even if it can sometimes be uncomfortable.

        You say you are “pretty confident no author on this blog would believe in the framework of Christianity without perceiving some compelling evidence that what our faith purports is consistent with observable reality.” I actually agree with your statement. I also doubt that any writer on this blog would even care to write, if they did not find evidence that compels them to confirm their faith. However, I am suggesting that, without faith, people don’t come to believe supernatural claims solely on sufficient evidence. Sufficient evidence must fit all the criteria that I listed above. Compelling but insufficient evidence isn’t hard to believe, if the bedrock of its belief is contingent upon another perceived truth (i.e. faith).

        With regard to prophecy, I dispute all biblical prophecy that is claimed to be objectively historical. For a prophecy to be valid, one would need a standard by which to judge their veracity. Allow me to propose several criteria that I think we could agree on: a) it must be written before the event it predicts; b) the predicted events must actually occur; c) the prediction must be both falsifiable and verifiable; d) it must not be overly vague; e) it must not be a likely event; f) it must not be self-fulfilling. I would hope that we could agree on all of the above points in determining the legitimacy of any prophecy. I am open to the truth of any prophecy that meets all of the above criteria, but I have yet to be presented with such a case. Again, the time to accept a claim’s truth is after it has been demonstrated, not before (i.e. faith) it can be demonstrated.

        Faith can be quite dangerous as a principle, and it seems to be synonymous with suspending reason. What it does is encourage people to take mental shortcuts instead of critically thinking. I think that most people on this blog use a substantial amount of critical thinking, but I would surmise that they refuse to critically think about their faith because they think doing so would ruin their life for eternity. Even when people do question their faith, poorly constructed ideas such as Pascal’s wager cloud their judgment, so they continue to retain faith despite evidence to the contrary.

      3. Alyssa Hall Avatar
        Alyssa Hall

        Thanks for your response, Phil. I actually agree for the most part with Ben’s maxim that faith can never contradict reason. But he’s right in that he and I as Catholic and Baptist, respectively, don’t see quite eye to eye on a number things. But that’s a cornerstone of this blog-constructive ecumenical discussion. At any rate, you’ve got some interesting thoughts, and, as Ben pointed out, Chris should probably get the next word, so I’ll keep my comments to a minimum. If you’re looking for some solid evidence for the resurrection, I would recommend J. Warner Wallace’s book Cold Case Christianity, or if on the person of Christ and His divinity, Lee Stroebel’s The Case for Christ.
        Blessings,
        Alyssa

      4. Phil Avatar
        Phil

        I took some time to familiarize myself with your reading recommendations. Although I did not read them, I did familiarize myself with their basic themes. I found the following critiques of them to be particularly poignant:

        This first link is a response to Jim Wallace’s 10 Principles:

        http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2015/03/debunking-10-popular-christian-principles-for-reading-the-bible/

        The second and third links are reviews of The Case for Christ:

        http://www.bidstrup.com/apologetics.htm

        http://infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/strobel.html

        If you found a particular argument in your recommendations or any other apologetic works to be especially compelling or substantive, feel free to point it out. I would be happy to take a look at it more in depth.

      5. Alyssa Hall Avatar
        Alyssa Hall

        Thanks for taking a look at those, Phil. Since it’s not evident from your above comments whether you would consider yourself an atheist, agnostic, or something else, I’m not sure the best place to start, but assuming that you do believe in the existence of God, and we’re only talking about evidence for the resurrection, I’ll begin on that topic. Personally, these are evidences that I found satisfied my need for veracity. I pray they do for you as well.
        1.) Women are principal witnesses. In this time period, women were the last human beings on earth that anyone would have wanted carrying earth-shattering news. If the story was a fabrication, women wouldn’t have been the ones chosen by the disciples to announce it. As the Jewish Talmud says, “Sooner let the words of the law be burnt than to be given to women,” and “Any evidence which a woman gives is not valid to offer.” (Talmud, quoted by Stroebel) and “Let not the testimony of women be admitted on account, of the levity and boldness of their sex.” (Jewish historian, Josephus)
        2.) Each of the separate accounts of the resurrection coincides with the others in such a way that law enforcement and others who deal with interrogation actually support. When several people witness the same event, their stories match up with one another with regard to certain major elements while the minor discrepancies that vary from account to account actually confirm that the stories were not manufactured in a group conspiracy, but are actually the result of different perspectives on the same event. This is something that can be observed in the four Gospels’ parallel resurrection accounts.
        3.) The disciples and over 500 other people claimed to have seen Him alive after His crucifixion. Could group hallucination have been the case? Not probable. A group hallucination of that size hasn’t been seen before, at least not that anyone knows about. So, it could have happened, but reasonably, there’s not much of a chance.
        4.) Could those who believed to have seen Him alive have seen a vision instead? Well, the language of the culture and time had words for that. If they had had a vision, they likely would have chosen the most accurate diction to describe it. But they purposefully chose words that indicate that He was actually alive and in their physical, fully conscious presence.
        5.)This is what I find most compelling. In almost every case in which a group of conspirators have been under torture, the instigators have recanted their lies. But under intense torture, each of the twelve disciples, along with many others who had witnessed the resurrection, refused to recant their story. They had nothing to gain by claiming Christ’s resurrection, except rejection, torture, martyrdom, and exile. They received no monetary reward for their preaching and the cost to their persons, quality of life, families, and livelihoods renders it reasonable beyond doubt that these men had seen something that they could not help but speak about.
        6.) The conversion of the Apostle Paul.
        7.) The empty tomb. Even Jesus’ enemies had to admit that the earth quaked, the stone was rolled away, and the body was gone. Were there a rotting corpse in the tomb, the fabrication would have been exposed.

        I know there’s a lot here, and if you’d like to see where I’m getting my facts (and how these facts are verified), you can look at The Case for the Real Jesus, also by Lee Stroebel, specifically pages 106-164. It’s great that you took the time to investigate the prior resources, but I ask that you take the time to really read this one-at least these chapters. I know it’s a time investment, but consider what the implications are if Christ truly rose from the grave versus if He didn’t? If He did, then there’s a judgment where you and I will stand before Him and give an account for how we lived our lives. If He didn’t, then I’m wasting my time with no eternal consequences. I just die and that’s the end. But if He’s alive and coming again some day to judge the quick and the dead, to bring some to heaven to live with Him for eternity, and to place some in hell to suffer forever, then it’s a matter truly worth investigating-if only because of the implications for being wrong if for no other reason. Phil, I know these are hard words, but I fear facing my own guilt if I don’t share the truth with you.
        I’m truly thankful for the opportunity to dialogue with you and again, I’m praying that the Lord be with you as you search for the truth. And, as a side note, thanks for being courteous! It’s always so pleasant to discuss these things with a mutual spirit of respect and understanding.

      6. Phil Avatar
        Phil

        Let me begin by clarifying my thoughts regarding religion. I am an agnostic when it comes knowledge, so I don’t claim to know whether God exists in either the affirmative or the negative. I am an atheist in the sense that I reject theistic claims (e.g. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc.) until such time that sufficient evidence is presented on their behalf.

        I very much appreciate your willingness to present evidence, so I will respond as best I can to each of your points in succession:

        1) While I can’t agree that Jewish women would have been the last people on earth to be trusted, I do acknowledge that women were unfortunately not considered to be a reliable source for information. Remember, though, that the women in the resurrection account were not automatically assumed to be trusted anyway. They ran back to tell the disciples who confirmed the empty tomb themselves. Regardless of whether we agree on this point or not, it simply doesn’t matter.

        Let’s say for the sake of argument that women were the only ones to witness the resurrection. Your argument is essentially that because women were principal witnesses of the resurrection, the gospel account wouldn’t have gained traction in the early Christian community if it weren’t true. Popularity of any belief does not make it true. One must demonstrate the truth of the claim itself, not its popularity. There may be over a billion Christians right now, but there are also over a billion Muslims, and I don’t see you applying this same logic to their religious claims.

        2) The first problem with this argument is that law enforcement professionals are not experts on determining the reliability of ancient texts. Second, there is not sufficient evidence to support any eyewitnesses of the resurrection. You can’t just assume that the biblical texts are accurate. One way to demonstrate that they’re accurate is to find corrobating accounts outside of the Bible that confirm Jesus’ resurrection. There are none. There’s only one source that even mentions a Jewish messiah, and there are questions about the reliability of that source (Josephus Flavius) as well. Third, you are simply ruling out group conspiracy, when no biblical scholar (Christian or otherwise) has actually suggested group conspiracy. There are many other possibilities, such as the writer lying as an attempt to persuade the intended readers.

        3) People claimed to have seen him after the crucifixion according to the Bible. I’ve already said that it is poor investigative work to accept the Bible as a sole source unless there is reliable corroborative evidence that parallels it.

        4) I refer to my response in the previous point for this one.

        5) Aside from the fact that these stories only appear in the Bible (a dubious source without corroboration), you are making massive assumptions here. Let me again for the sake of argument assume that the biblical source is reliable. You still can’t assume the martyrs saw no personal benefit for their family or community, nor does the biblical account suggest any details on the matter. You are adding to the text something that simply isn’t there.

        6) Biblical scholars all agree that Paul almost certainly was a historical person and that he was likely the most influential person on behalf of early Christianity. But, there is no evidence to support his conversion claim whatsoever.

        7) Again assuming we grant the biblical account is true, whoever Jesus’ supposed enemies might have been, there is no record of them recording any thoughts on any aspect of his life at all. I’m sure you can agree that a pro-Jesus account (the Bible) isn’t sufficient evidence to suggest that anti-Jesus people acknowledged a supposed empty tomb and simultaneous quake.

        All of your seven points assume the biblical account is true. This process is called confirmation bias. Confirmation biases are contrary to and inhibit reliable methods of discovering truth via evidence.

        I also want to address your point of “eternal consequences”. I suggest you look up the flimsiness of Pascal’s wager. If you are wasting time with the only life that we know exists, that is a very large sacrifice. I also wonder if you are not making a massive mistake of thinking there is equal probability for the Christian god or not. If there were perhaps equal probability, you would have a safer bet. Without any evidence that the Christian god exists, I would say your bet is risky at best.

        Furthermore, I don’t think I would want to spend eternity with the kind of god who would punish people for simply being born in a part of the world where it is safer for them to have different god beliefs rather than believing in Jesus. I certainly wouldn’t advocate for vulnerable people in the Middle East to convert from Islam to Christianity in the likelihood they would be murdered for their beliefs. Such a god is immoral, and I want no part of it. If I found there were evidence that such a god exists, I may not worship it, but I would certainly have to deal with him and the types of atrocities he commits.

        This discussion has been quite thought provoking for me, and it certainly helps that you are also being respectful and courteous. Most Christians just get angry when they are conversing with a nonbeliever. Your kindness does you credit. It’s too bad that mos Christians typically thank God for this “gift” instead of taking ownership of their strengths and flaws alike.

      7. Alyssa Hall Avatar
        Alyssa Hall

        Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Phil. I wish you the very best as you continue your search for the truth and I will keep you in my prayers!

      8. Phil Avatar
        Phil

        It has been my pleasure! My belief is that the search for truth is a lifelong pursuit. May you continue in this pursuit as well. Best wishes to you and those close to you!

      9. Phil Avatar
        Phil

        As an example off the top of my head, having faith that God would literally catch me if I jumped off a 100 foot tall cliff is in direct contradiction to reasoning based on sufficient evidence. Also, I don’t really know what you mean when you say that resurrection “transcends” reason. Could you clarify?

        Plato’s writings on Phaedo’s account of Socrates’ death is certainly an interesting read, but it is wholly unconvincing. He gives 4 reasons why he thinks the soul is immortal, without giving sufficient evidence that the soul even exists in the first place. I have yet to see sufficient evidence that we can either think or exist as apart from our brain.

        A caterpillar is born with imaginal discs that are then morphed into butterfly body parts (i.e. wings) when the creature is in chrysalis form (i.e. mostly liquid). It is truly an awesome creature with fascinating science involved, but I don’t see how it “dies”. It simply transforms and is still living while in goopy chrysalis form.

        The juxtaposition of faith and reason is one way people rationalize the existence of God and is also how some come to their own beliefs regarding truth. Again, it is unfortunate that many abandon critical thinking to reach these conclusions.

    2. Phil Avatar
      Phil

      First off, I very much appreciate your willingness to post and to do so with thoughtfulness. Your central premise that “all modes of knowledge contain some component of faith” is potentially flawed. One of the primary reasons why believers and nonbelievers struggle to communicate about faith is that there are several definitions for faith that can be used. You seem to be using the colloquial definition: a strong belief or trust in someone or something. When religious people talk about their personal faith, they typically use the following definition: belief in the existence of God.

      Beliefs are thoughts about whether someone or something exists or is true. Knowledge is is simply a subset of beliefs. If I were to say that I know something, I am simply stating that I have a very high degree of confidence about a particular belief that I hold. I consider myself ignorant about various aspects of the universe and therefore don’t have knowledge about all of my beliefs. I want to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible. Theories (not the colloquial version of this word) of any part of the universe that were arrived at by using the scientific method are necessarily testable, falsifiable, replicable, stable, and consistent. The strength of scientific theories are profound because they are predictive and don’t require faith, which distinguishes them from religious claims. The biblical “prophecies” don’t predict anything (as I outlined in a previous post) and must be taken at “faith” to be believed. People also use faith as a primary means to believe a host of other things they find in the Bible without sufficient evidence.

      I agree that the following statement is illogical: “Science is more important than philosophy.” This statement indicates a misunderstanding of at least one (if not, both) of these disciplines. I actually believe that science is more valuable to the human experience than religion because it follows the evidence whereas religion follows faith. I’m not saying that religious people can’t use reason, but I’m saying that faith is their starting point. I also acknowledge that other atheists can and often have both poor logic and presumptions in their thought processes.

      William Lane Craig espouses the Kalam cosmological argument, and it is deeply flawed. I could get very philosophical here, but I will avoid doing so for the sake of brevity. Essentially, Craig commits a parade of fallacies (http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Kalam) in his construction of the argument. Even if one puts aside all of the fallacies and grants the argument at its face value, it would still have only proved that a God exists, nothing more. It is an abstract argument and by itself doesn’t determine any observable characteristics for a specific god of any type, let alone the God of Christianity.

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