This is the third and final post in my series on Catholicism and Justification. The first two parts can be found here and here.

Elsewhere in Paul’s letters, we find a similar commitment to a Catholic view of justification. One such example is found in his phrase, “neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything” (Galatians 5:6, 6:15, 1 Corinthians 7:9). I will look at all incidents of this phrase in Paul’s writing. It is, of course, a rebuke to the Judaizers’ belief that circumcision, and more generally the Mosaic Law, is efficacious and necessary for justification. Paul uses this phrase to reject the Judaizers’ beliefs, and then assert the truth of our justification before God. Therefore, if the Protestant view is correct, then that phrase should be followed by a defense of faith alone.

However, Paul writes instead that “in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love” in Galatians 5:6. Faith is not judged solely by itself when it comes to God’s justification. Instead, faith is judged with the love it works through. This should bring to mind James’ discussion of justification and works of charity, which we went through earlier. Faith is, as the brother of Christ says, “completed by works” (James 2:22).

Similarly, Paul writes a chapter later that “neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation” (Galatians 6:15). In the same way that the previous passage undermines Sola Fide, this passage rebukes the Calvinist distinction between regeneration and justification. The inward renewal of the Christian is not separate from God’s turn from wrath to love; it is synonymous with it. The new creation within us is what justifies us, not circumcision. We are freed from the Law, not because of penal substitution, but because “the law is binding on a person only during his life” (Romans 7:1); we “have died to the law through the body of Christ” (Romans 7:4).

How is this possible? Paul explains a chapter earlier in Romans, when he asks, “do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life” (Romans 6:3-4). This is why Christ not only died, but was “raised for our justification” (Romans 4:25). The newness of life, or new creation, that justifies us was accomplished through the Resurrection. If penal substitution was true, we need only to have had Christ die on our behalf. But so that we would be reborn to life, He rose again.

Baptism is a portal to another state, free from the curse of the Law. That is why Paul describes our legal debt as canceled, not paid, before God: “And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross.” (Colossians 2:13-14).

This is why Paul equates justification, inward regeneration, and baptism in 1 Corinthians 6:11 “you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.” From the Protestant perspective, these three items cannot be synonymous. However, alternative interpretations seem to fail. After all, the listing cannot be chronological—from the Calvinist paradigm, justification and sanctification precede the washing in baptism. Neither can it be meaningless; Paul clearly means to communicate something by repeating these three items. The simplest explanation, it seems, is the Catholic one: the three are different aspects of the same theological occurrence.

This leads us to the final incident of Paul’s phrase, “neither circumcision nor uncircumcision.” It occurs for a third time in the first epistle to the Corinthian church. There, Paul writes that “neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God” (1 Corinthians 7:19). This passage seems almost contradictory to us if we were to interpret works of the Law as identical to works of charity (see a fuller discussion of the difference here). However, here Paul contrasts the two, pointing to one as ineffectual and the other as efficacious.

Faith is important to justification for many reasons. It leads us to, and is embodied in, baptism. In fact, after every major Pauline treatise on faith he concludes by speaking about baptism, whether it be Galatians 3, Romans 6, or Colossians 2. It is important because, as Paul notes in Hebrews, without knowing that God exists, it is impossible to please Him (Hebrews 11). It is important because trust is at the heart of the covenant of salvation we make with God. However, the Bible never says that faith is important because it results in immediately imputed alien righteousness that pays for all our sins, past present and future. The Bible speaks often about faith, but imputed justification is not one of the reasons Scripture cites for the importance of belief.

Having discussed my birds-eye view of the two systems as wholes here and here, I will not again sketch out my understanding of Protestant and Catholic soteriology. I will allow any interested readers to examine what I have already said. However, I would like to re-use two short paragraphs I wrote shortly after my conversion to conclude this series. Both are posted here. The first reads as follows:

“In order to defend Protestant theology, I was forced to adopt very loose exegetical techniques when interpreting many passages that link salvation to baptism (Acts 2:38, 1 Peter 3:21, Acts 22:16, Mark 16:16, Romans 6:3-4, John 3:5, Galatians 3:27, Colossians 2:12, 1 Corinthians 6:11, Titus 3:5), confession (1 John 1:9, James 5:16), works (James 2:20-24, Romans 2), love (Galatians 5:6), and the Eucharist (John 6). Frankly, I was relieved when I finally realized that passages linking faith to justification in no way exclude a literal interpretation of these verses.”

I might add to this list with the benefit of more knowledge (and hindsight), but I still hold to the same thought process. Scripture links much more than merely faith to salvation, to say that the Bible supports Sola Fide seems to require an elimination of much of the Scriptural testimony on the matter.

While works contribute to our justification, this does not mean that Catholicism views salvation as “works-based,” contra the claims of some Protestant apologists. This brings me to the second paragraph I would like to re-use from the essay quoted earlier:

“Although Protestants often charge Catholics as preaching a works-based salvation, this is a misunderstanding. Catholics see salvation as almost a state of being. That state of being is a full and complete union with Christ. In a sense, heaven is solely the perfect presence of God in one’s life. To put it another way, heaven is the final fruit of sanctification. We are “conformed into the image of the Son” (Romans 8:29); we are “partakers of the divine essence” (2 Peter 1:4); we actually “become His righteousness” (2 Corinthians 5:21). It is true that this occurs through the sacraments and good works. But these things are merely another way of saying that we enter heaven by partaking in God. After all, baptism is being united with Christ’s death (Romans 6:4, Colossians 2:12), and communion is a participation in His body and blood (1 Corinthians 10:16). Good works are both an expression of the God that is love (1 John 4:8) and acts of love towards Christ himself (Matthew 25:40). Therefore, salvation is ultimately about a relationship with Christ.”

In the midst of nuanced theological debate, it can be easy to lose sight of the big picture. The truth is that salvation is nothing less than the Church’s mystical marriage to Christ; in other words, it is a relationship with God. May we never lose sight of that truth.

 

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26 responses to “Justification in Catholicism, Part III”

  1. Paul Pavao Avatar

    A friend was lamenting the lack of interfaith (i.e., Catholic-Orthodox-Protestant) discussion on Conciliar Post of late, so I will comment for the sake of giving this post a boost and perhaps provoking a little conversation.

    I was raised Catholic, but I quit at age 12 or 13 because it didn’t work. By that, I mean I found no power to serve God in it. I found no relationship with God in it. Confirmation was my final disappointment. I had set my hope on it to provide the power to make me a soldier of God, as promised by the pamphlet I was given. It didn’t happen and I gave up. My mother tried to rescue me by giving me Protestant material, which I devoured. I laid on my back night after night for a month, hoping to expose my heart to God better, and I asked Jesus to come into my heart. When that didn’t work, I gave up on Christianity and got involved in mystical eastern religion, now generally called New Age.

    At 21, God hunted me down. If I told the story, it would not seem near as miraculous to you as it seemed to me. I realized Jesus really was the Son of God, and the first time I admitted it, I was transformed. The whole world changed, and I have gotten up every morning wanting to serve Jesus with all my heart for 34 years straight, something over 12,500 days in a row.

    That happened in a Protestant church, but it didn’t take long to get fed up with Protestant dissension and their love of tradition over Scripture. It’s humorous because they love tradition as much as Roman Catholics, but at least Catholics admit it! Protestants pretend that the Bible is their sole rule of faith and practice, but it takes very little time in their midst to find that this is almost never true.

    So here I am. I completely agree with your post on justification, Christian. Most Protestants can’t because Luther and Calvin’s teaching is more important to them than Scripture. They cling tightly to eternal security despite the fact that the entire book of Hebrews was written to refute it!

    Yet I can’t be Roman Catholic because the papal claim to “full, supreme, and universal authority over the church” (Lumen Gentium, 1964, ch. 3, sec. 22) is outrageous, and I could never stop attacking it (book coming in the next few months). The removal of the third of the ten commandments testifies to the Roman church’s guilty conscience over its use of images. (It is not just the Protestants, but the Orthodox [http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith7115] as well who would charge the RCC with changing the ten commandments.)

    Perhaps I have brought up too much, but I am not alone. There are many who, like me, do not want to be called a Protestant, but can find no home in Catholicism of Orthodoxy, either, because of questionable (or objectionable) doctrines that are required of their members. This calls for a discussion of the definition of “church.”

    Reference:
    Lumen Gentium. “Dogmatic Constitution of the Church.” Solemnly Propagated by His Holiness Pope Paul VI on November 21, 1964. Ch. 3. Sec. 22. Retrieved 5 November, 2016 from http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html. Note that this wording is repeated in the Catholic Catechism. par. 882.

    1. Christian McGuire Avatar
      Christian McGuire

      I suppose that leaves you in an interesting position. You reject all three of the major branches of Christianity, I gather?

      If so, I would urge you to re-think where you’ve landed. It seems unlikely that the chimera of doctrines you are mentioning (rejection of images in worship, endorsement of Catholic justification and sacramental theology, rejection of papal authority) is the correct assortment of theological truths; to be frank, that kind of method seems almost assuredly disaster-bound. I think its fairly clear that God doesn’t ask everyone to be a theologian, but in order to arrive at the precise composition of doctrine that you have, it would seem that one would have to be highly theologically aware.

      Its also worth pointing out that the Ten Commandments are only numbered at ten by convention; the same exegetical conclusions should result regardless of how we number them. Neither are all Protestants on board with the alternative numbering used by the Orthodox; Lutherans adopt the same numbering as Catholics (both traditions follow St. Augustine on this matter). Finally, the Orthodox use images in much the same way as Catholics, and probably with greater frequency, so I’m not sure that appealing to their numbering furthers your argument about the commandments.

      As it regards the papacy, I am curious as to why you find it so absurd. The biblical and patrisitic evidence for the Primacy of the Roman See, as noted by John Henry Newman, seems to be stronger than even the evidence for the Trinity in the pre-Nicene age. If you accept the Trinity, why not the Papacy?

      I don’t mean to be aggressive or unkind, just attempting to get to the heart of the matter. 🙂

      1. Paul Pavao Avatar

        I don’t mind you being aggressive. I called the primacy of the Pope outrageous. You are Catholic. If you believe such a grandiose claim as that the bishop of Rome has full, supreme, and universal authority over all Christians and churches, and that he can exercise this authority at his will, as your Catechism claims, then you ought to defend it.

        However, I did not call it absurd, just outrageous. The idea of one sole human authority over all the churches is plausible, not absurd. However, I think history makes it clear that no apostolic church has ever accepted the kind of authority that the Roman bishop claims for himself. The Great Schism may have had the small issue of the “filioque” as its focal point, but the real issue was the authority claimed by the bishop of Rome.

        Finally, I don’t accept the Trinity as it is currently defined by the Catholics and Protestants. I would reject the Athanasian Creed (which was not written by Athanasius) in favor of the Nicene and Apostles creeds. It is stunning to me that anyone would suggest that the Athanasian and Nicene creeds teach the same thing. I am still dumbfounded that anyone would even suggest it, much less that an organization as big as the RCC would teach it. Even many historians glibly suggest that the Athanasian Creed is the best explanation of the Trinity, yet they acknowledge the Nicene and Apostles creeds as authoritative. I have no explanation for this. Like I said, I’m dumbfounded. The bishops at Nicea would surely have rejected the almost Sabellian Athanasian Creed as quickly as they rejected the teaching of Arius and Eusebius of Nicomedia.

      2. Christian McGuire Avatar
        Christian McGuire

        Interesting. I’m quite sure that the Athanasian creed was not historically identified with Sebellianism. Why do you think it is heretical? I guess I can’t comment on that further without more information.

        Your explanation for the Great Schism is oversimplified, I think. The conflict between the East and West included differences over language, culture, worship, ethnicity, worldview, and language. The Primacy of Peter occasionally grated against the Greeks, to be sure. But I think to reduce it to a mainly theological conflict over the Papacy is unhistorical.

        As for the historical acceptance of the Papacy itself, I’m surprised. Of course, not all extents of Rome’s power were sketched out in the early ADs, we have to make room for doctrinal development, just like we have to for the Trinity. However, the evidence seems quite good that the Bishop of Rome was the leader of the Church. Otherwise, St. Clement of Rome’s letter to the Corinthians seems like unjustified meddling in affairs that did not concern him. Likewise, St. Igantius of Antioch’s comment that Rome “presides in love” over the Church seems hard to explain.

        Going a little past the Apostolic era, surely we can agree that by the time of St. Irenaeus (190AD) Rome was the undisputed leader of the Universal Church. However, if we agree there, then it seems difficult to say that an institution as “outrageous” in its claims as the papacy was able to take over the entire Church without a fight, unless of course it had always ruled the Church.

      3. Paul Pavao Avatar

        Discussing the papacy in the early church writings is a big subject, impossible to discuss in a few comments. I’ve brought up enough subjects, so I’m going spare us a discussion of Clement, Ignatius, Irenaeus, and Cyprian for some other article.

        I don’t think it’s controversial to state that the other apostolic churches granted the bishop of Rome “first among equals” and has never acknowledged or agreed to primacy. They certainly have not agreed to “full, supreme, and universal authority” over all the churches in the world. If you can get to the question and answer part of Dr. Brendan McGuire’s speech on the Medieval Papacy (part 1), you’ll find he agrees that the east has never acknowledged the primacy of the pope as Rome describes it. That speech is posted on the Institute of Catholic Culture at https://instituteofcatholicculture.org/talkaudio/the-medieval-papacy-part-1/, though nowadays you have to become a member to listen. That didn’t use to be true.

        Further, I’m sure any Orthodox person would be happy to confirm my their objection to papal primacy that continues to this day.

        The reason I ascribed to the Great Schism is not controversial, either. I doubt the RCC Magisterium would appreciate my summation and wording, but the long explanation given in the Catholic Encyclopedia can be summed down to its statement that “[The Eastern Schism] is explained sufficiently by the schism of the patriarchs.” The Encyclopedia says that the pope was not just “supreme pontiff,” but also the local patriarch. It does not mention that the eastern patriarchs would never have called him supreme pontiff, and that is exactly why there was a split. The Encyclopedia instead describes it as a growing conflict between the patriarchs, which is accurate. The conflict was over “first among equals” or “supreme pontiff.”

        Again, I don’t think that is historically controversial.

        As for the Athanasian Creed, let me point out that you brought up the Trinity, not me. (That’s okay, but my response requires that be pointed out.) The Athanasian Creed is another long discussion that is well worth discussing, but I’ve brought up enough issues here. I’ll just tell you that you ought to read the Athanasian Creed and compare it with the creed you recite in Mass every week. Is it really possible to interpret the following two statements as espousing the same belief about God, the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit?

        Athanasian Creed: The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is but one God.

        Apostles Creed/Nicene Creed: We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, … and in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son of God … and in the Holy Spirit.

        Do you think those are both saying the same thing?

      4. Christian McGuire Avatar
        Christian McGuire

        Okay. Well, I doubt I will convince you, but I think there’s a lot of compelling evidence you have to explain away if you want to merely paint the Roman Pontiff as the “first among equals.” I would highly recommend reading Bl. John Henry Newman’s book on the development of doctrine if you haven’t already.

        I’m not familiar with Dr. McGuire or the context of that statement, but it isn’t one that I would necessarily disagree with. The East brings a unique perspective to theology that, no doubt, effected the papacy. The question is whether that perspective brought them to a point where they rejected the Pope’s authority over the Catholic Church, which it did not for the first thousand years of Church History.

        When we sat down and really discussed these issues with the Orthodox at Florence, they eventually agreed that the West was in the right on all the points of doctrine used to justify the schism, and agreed to reunification. What ended that brief reunion was politics, ethnic and cultural hatred, and the pretty suspiciously timed death of Patriarch Joseph II. To me, that reveals that the disagreement between East and West has never really been about theology. I agree that the schism was about a power struggle between East and West, but again, that’s different than genuine theological disagreements. True, Latin theological concepts were never taken very seriously by Greek theologians, even when it came to Augustine’s many important contributions. But even that seems to me to be more of a cultural-racial discrimination against the uneducated Latins than a serious theological heresy.

        Yeah, I guess I don’t really see the disagreement there. Are you implying that only the Father is truly God? Because Nicea explicitly clarifies that the Son is God: “true God of true God.”

      5. Paul Pavao Avatar

        Thank you for that information.

      6. Paul Pavao Avatar

        Well, let me address one bit of compelling evidence often brought up for the papacy. Do you believe Cyprian of Carthage believed in the supremacy of the bishop of Rome? Have you heard quotes from him that are supposedly on that subject?

        Here is what people are not normally told. Rome was the closest apostolic church to Carthage, so in general, Carthage appealed to Rome for apostolic counsel. Nonetheless, when “Pope” Stephen tried to use his authority to compel Cyprian to accept the baptism of the Novatians, Cyprian called a council of 87 north African bishops, and they began by denouncing the right of any bishop to consider himself a “bishop of bishops.” They then proceeded to denounce his decision and explain why.

        Over time, the churches eventually settled on Stephen’s side, not Cyprian’s. Nonetheless, can we really quote as supporting the primacy of Rome when he and 87 other bishops called a council specifically to reject that authority? (Seventh Council of Carthage. From Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 2, volume 14. Retrieved 11/23/2016 from http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf214.xv.vi.iii.html)

        Cyprian believed that all the bishops together, united as though they were one bishop, were the inheritors of Peter’s authority and the keys of the kingdom. That is the true interpretation of his tract “On the Unity of the Church,” and that interpretation is verified by his calling of the 7th Council of Carthage.

        I have an answer like that one for all the “compelling evidence” that is given. Again, I’m writing a book on it.

        You did add something not addressed in the book. Paraphrasing, you asked what business Rome had writing to Corinth (1 Clement) if they did not have authority over them. I would ask back what business Irenaeus had interfering in the affairs of Rome, for he wrote “Pope” Victor a letter to calm him down after he tried to excommunicate all the churches of Asia Minor over the day of the week on which to celebrate Passover. Many other bishops wrote letters to him as well, most angry about his suggested actions, which Polycrates, bishop of Ephesus, told Victor he would ignore.

        I am aware of the “compelling evidence.” The evidence sounds compelling when it is presented without rebuttal, but a lot–um, all–the quotes are presented out of context (if we are talking about second century quotes). Well, maybe Tertullian’s two quotes regarding Rome in Prescription Against Heretics and Against Marcion are only cited out of context historically not textually.

      7. Paul Pavao Avatar

        I need to add one thing to the reply I just wrote. I would find the arguments more compelling if those who presented those arguments put them in context. For example, I once read a web site by a Catholic scholar, and he put heavy emphasis on Cyprian’s quotes, but he never mentioned the Seventh Council of Carthage. How can a person use Cyprian to justify papal primacy without acknowledging that he led a council of 87 bishops that rejected Stephen’s authority? The words are:

        “For no one [of us504] has set himself up [to be] bishop [of bishops], or attempted with tyrannical dread to force his colleagues to obedience to him, since every bishop has, for the license of liberty and power, his own will, and as he cannot be judged by another, so neither can he judge another.”

        Again, the link for that quote is: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf214.xv.vi.iii.html

    2. Elizabeth Avatar

      that would be hard, Paul. I don’t see, though, that you have rejected the Orthodox church as a possibility. I am not sure what this means: Catholicism of Orthodoxy… but I see no where in this post that EO has failed you. Have you considered it as an option? To be honest, usually I would not even ask that or suggest it, as each person’s journey is their own. I am on the side of ‘each person is on a journey’… I would say though that I agree with Christian in that it can be spiritually perilous to, in my words, be the ultimate ‘say’ on these things for your own life. But it is clear that many convert to EO from RC because they find the view of the papacy to be in error. That’s a huge and interesting place to have discussion, I am reading a book right now on how some EO converts examined that issue (the papacy). I do believe that if you are praying and open to the truth of God, that He can show you your path. God help you – and all of us.

      1. Paul Pavao Avatar

        Hi Elizabeth. I would agree that Orthodoxy has held better to apostolic doctrines than the Catholics, but … the problem for me is not so much that they use icons, but that they use icons so much that it is impossible to join an Orthodox congregation without agreeing with the use of icons. Which I don’t.

      2. Elizabeth Avatar

        Paul, right, saw both of what you wrote here. Hmmm, well icons are rather central to the EO belief in Christ as the Incarnate Son of God, God made visible. So pretty fundamental. You disagree with the use of icons based on theological grounds or personal? It sounds like you are in a painted corner that is awfully lonely. I am sorry for that. I do hope you can find a way out. Happy to hear more if you want to talk, but it does sound like you are very familiar with EO, RC and Protestant but protest against them all. That’s a pretty difficult situation to be in and one that would be hard to get out of; is then a question of what are you fighting against and why, as you have a fight with all 3; that only you can work out and I hope you can find peace of Christ.

      3. Paul Pavao Avatar

        I think it’s awesome that you guys are worried about me being painted into a corner. (Really. Thank you.) I’m not. I have to say, I spent 13 years looking for the kind of fellowship that I have now, but I’m not alone, and I haven’t been for 20 years. On the other hand, there are a lot of people like me, and many of them do feel alone. Most are not quite as willing as I was do go anywhere, work any job, quit any job, etc. to find a group of sold-out Christians working together.

        On the other hand, things are changing. I would say drastically changing. The longing to live out Acts 2:42-48 or something similar is spreading, and it’s possible even for a person like me to find places that don’t require me to agree to a statement of faith. Despite what you may conclude from my comments, I’m not asking for much on my end. I’m asking for God’s solid foundation, that all who name the name of Christ depart from iniquity (2 Tim. 2:19). It’s what they request of me that becomes the problem. Unfortunately, three of the things I will not say are true block me out of actual membership–though not necessarily fellowship–with the three most well-known branches of Christianity. Those three are salvation by faith alone (Protestants), papal primacy (RCC), icons (Orthodox).

      4. Elizabeth Avatar

        Hi Paul, well. I would be lonely without the Saints and icons, personally…I could never go ‘back’ to where I was before!

        so when you write “I will not say” you mean “I will not agree to”. So you have found Christians outside of “organized church” to be with. I am glad you have friends. You seem quite content and ready to stay where you are/not change.

      5. Elizabeth Avatar

        I did not mean that to publish yet. anyway, was not going to add much more other than I think I hear what you are saying here.

      6. Paul Pavao Avatar

        I meant to add that I have spent hours talking with Orthodox adherents in regard to icons. In fact, it is somewhat impossible to spend time with an Orthodox person without icons coming up regularly and being a central point of discussion.

      7. Paul Pavao Avatar

        No. And I have to admit that I’m not willing to read a late 7th century book on the subject. I suspect that I have heard more than a book’s worth of justification for icons. I would have to see something much earlier–like four or five centuries earlier. On the other hand, I did bookmark https://www.christianhistoryinstitute.org/study/module/john-of-damascus/ for later reading.

      8. Paul Pavao Avatar

        Help me out here. Isn’t one major portion of every doctrinal argument whether it is “apostolic” tradition, not just tradition? If I could find a source in the fourth century that explains the origin of “veneration” of icons and images, wouldn’t that be a very strong argument against the practice? I’m not making pre-Nicene Christians a new Bible. Instead, I am looking for verification of tradition there. Apostolic tradition does not jump over two centuries, then appear brand new in the fourth, right?

      9. Paul Pavao Avatar

        Ok. I see. I’m not there, but I understand your choice.

  2. Matthew Bryan Avatar
    Matthew Bryan

    Great post, Christian. I’m surprised and pleased by the emphasis on the “new creation,” an under-emphasized doctrine in Protestantism, despite its being widely embraced in Protestantism. The ramifications of that doctrine are wide, deep, and often ignored.

    Since penal substitution is pretty much the beginning and end of Protestant justification, an article clarifying the differences in Roman and Protestant understandings of penal sub might be fruitful. I am tempted to offer such an article, but I doubt I would do justice to the Roman view as an outsider.

    I will point out however, that Calvin is rejected by the majority of Protestants, unlike Luther. So his views listed above have little impact on many readers. Thanks for the article; I enjoyed it.

    1. Christian McGuire Avatar
      Christian McGuire

      I think there’s pretty widespread agreement on what penal substitution is; at least, I haven’t encountered multiple understandings of penal substitution. To my knowledge, the disagreement is limited to whether it is an accurate understanding of justification.

      I would disagree with you regarding Calvin’s influence on Protestantism. Calvin isn’t simply the originator of a theory of predestination (although his name has become somewhat synonymous with that). After all, Luther was actually far more predestinarian than Calvin. Calvin’s main contribution, as I see it, is systematizing Luther’s somewhat erratic and contradictory views of salvation into a coherent package. That includes the familiar common Protestant understanding of the difference between baptism, justification, and sanctification, which was very fuzzy with Luther. It also includes the legal mindset that most Protestants use when thinking about justification, along with a lower view of the sacraments and tradition.

  3. Elizabeth Avatar

    Hi Christian …. I have been meaning to get back to you about your question (EO why are they so big on the filloque) but life keeps intervening… I have not forgotten the question though and actually found some things to help articulate my answer, but now, to your most recent article.

    Well written, you are putting a lot of thought into these!

    I liked this, which is actually from an earlier writing of yours:

    1. Elizabeth Avatar

      Christian: just FYI, I tried posting 2x here and it is not working. Have emailed BW and hope that it will be up late today…

  4. Elizabeth Avatar

    “That state of being is a full and complete union with Christ. In a sense, heaven is solely the perfect presence of God in one’s life. To put it another way, heaven is the final fruit of sanctification. We are “conformed into the image of the Son” (Romans 8:29); we are “partakers of the divine essence” (2 Peter 1:4); ”

    This part seems to be to be the closest of what you wrote about in this essay to the EO tradition, so I am familiar with it, I recognize it, if that makes sense.

    I appreciate how you are showing that the Protestant view of ‘faith alone’ is lacking and that tradition shows something greater, deeper. I really liked that in your earlier post also, your understanding of tradition being important and that what is universal in the earlier Church tradition has more weight than a later view of it/rejection of it.

    I think your writing on justification (and what it means in RC) is directly linked to the RC view of atonement. There is a new book out by Fr Patrick Reardon on this topic (EO priest and writer, Reardon that is). I need to get it and read it. I have read a few chapters out of Fr. Sergius Boyer’s book Acquiring the Mind of Christ that posits that EO is very different than RC on this topic.

    Will quote just a bit from this, to give a possible start of the discussion that I am trying to figure out, and will probably take me a good year or more to figure out. So, please note that I am not sure if this is the whole story on this for the EO side. But I think it is a good place to start, as Fr. Serguis is a kind, well read and experienced priest, monk and newer Abbot of St. Tikhon’s monastery. Just FYI, Fr. S is not going to agree with the RC view, which is part of why I write it here – to hopefully begin a discussion on how are EO and RC different on this topic. … but at the same time, I will show how it may not be as simple as Fr. S is saying (I will quote Fr P Reardon after this, so long comment here…) … and I am have not read enough on the topic to really know more than what I am quoting (i.e. how the 2 current writers disagree/agree/what EO as a whole is saying on this topic).

    So here begins the quotations:

    ….”the Anselmian Roman Catholic doctrine asserts that the debt was paid by God the Father to satisfy His infinite wrath, a byproduct of offence to His justice and honor. This doctrine of Atonement also states that sin is an affront to the Divinity, for which mere man cannot make reparation; it regards sin as a transgression in the legal sense rather than the Orthodox perspective of an illness of the heart and will. In this light, Anselm’s assumption is that a “divine honor” has been wounded and is in need of “satisfaction”. This necessitates a legal transaction by which Christ pays the Father with His own blood the debt incurred by man’s sin. The Resurrection of Christ does not occupy a central place in man’s redemption.

    If God then is infinitely offended by our sin and is therefore in need of some infinite “satisfaction”, many can rightly (and unfortunately) begin to equate this God with a sadistic image of a father compelled by honour to inflict punishment. Thus God is made subject to justice. By subjecting God to this law of necessity and ascribing Him human characteristics such as vengeance and anger, we make it appear that it is God who in need of healing, not man.

    However, God never changes, for it is not God that is at enmity with man; but man who is at enmity with God. The foundation of a proper understanding of salvation is that God does not change: Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever” (Heb 13:8). Thus, the Orthodox approach seeks to heal man, not God, recognizing sin as a refusal of the Love of God, the entrance of death, and the deconstruction of the soul.”

    ~ pages 24-25 in Acquiring the Mind of Christ: Embracing the Vision of the Orthodox Church by Sergius Bowyer

    As I was typing it, of course the question of what about God in the OT – anger, wrath, it’s there. I am not sure exactly how to answer this question as I don’t know everything in EO thought, but here’s what my priest said that I think actually goes towards an answer:

    I had asked him about the ‘God does not change’ part in class (we read this chapter I am quoting from) because it says in the OT that God repents and relented from His wrath (like the flood in Noah’s time etc). … my priest said, that the repentance of God is about having mercy (and forgiveness) and is directly in line with how God never changes: God is eternally merciful.

    I know that Fr. Reardon speaks on this topic and that Anselm was known to the Orthodox East to some degree. So, at least Fr Reardon seems to at least find an exception to what Fr. Bowyer writes.

    Here’s what Fr. Reardon wrote in 2009, using EO St Nicholas Cabasilas:

    ““We all continue to fall, Nicholas explains, nor can we, solely by our own efforts, be reconciled to God. In this respect, he quotes Romans 2:23—”You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?” Nicholas Cabasilas thus—and as though out of the blue—introduces the theme central to the soteriology of St. Anselm: God’s offended honor.

    Indeed, Nicholas goes on to explain this point, in lines that are nearly Greek translations from Anselm’s Latin. He speaks of Christ, who “alone was able to render all honor [timen] due to the One who begot Him and make satisfaction [apologesthasthai] for that which was taken away, achieving the former by His life and the latter by His death. To outweigh the injury which we had committed, He introduced the death He died on the Cross unto the Father’s glory, thereby making abundant satisfaction for the debt of honor we owed [opheilometha timen] by reason of our sins” (4.4).

    Nicholas is clearly reliant here on Anselm, and it seems important to remark on this reliance. In fact, throughout his treatise on the Incarnation—Cur Deus Homo? —Anselm treats many of the same soteriological themes as Cabasilas and the Church Fathers: The integrity of two natures in Christ (2.7) and the unity of His person (2.9), the freedom of Christ’s will in the Passion (1.8; 2.17), man’s destiny to beatitude (2.1), and the final grace of the bodily resurrection (2.3). Although the soteriology of Anselm seems rather thin beside that of Cabasilas, the latter theologian detects no heresy in it, and, when it suits his purpose, he does not hesitate to incorporate Anselm’s thought into his own reflections.
    As we noted above, Nicholas uses Anselm’s “satisfaction theory” in his discussion of the Holy Eucharist. The body of Christ received in the Holy Communion, Nicholas affirms, is the same body in which the Savior “made satisfaction for our sins”: It sweat blood in the agony, received lashes upon the back, was pierced with nails. It is to this very body, which “became the treasury of the fullness of the Godhead,” that the believer is united in the Eucharist (The Life in Christ 4.5).”
    (from this link:
    https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Irenikon/conversations/topics/44021)

    So, that’s what I know right now. I need to get Fr P. R’s book and do more research. My first question of course is what does EO as a whole say on this topic; my sense is that Fr. Sergius’ writings are more in line with what is traditionally seen in EO.

    Food for thought and perhaps for discussion! 🙂 I would be happy to read your thoughts on this and if anyone who is EO and knows more than me on this topic, of course I welcome that too, etc!!! 🙂 God bless!!!

  5. Christian McGuire Avatar
    Christian McGuire

    (Thanks for making this visible, Ben!)

    I’d completely agree with Ben; satisfaction is a piece of the puzzle, but it is a mistake to view the entirety of the Atonement merely through the lens of honor. For what it is worth, Aquinas modifies Anselm’s theory somewhat in order to emphasize the medicinal nature of the atonement (wiki gives a nice summary here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisfaction_theory_of_atonement#St._Thomas_Aquinas_codifies_the_substitution_theory).

    My own experience with EO is much more in line with Fr. Sergius’ writing. I don’t fault the East for emphasizing other aspects of the atonement, but it is strange to me that anyone could deny that honor and wrath have anything to do with the atonement. God’s wrath, judgement, and vengeance are spoken of dozens of times in the New Testament alone (a quick glance at the Epistle to the Romans alone would provide sufficient evidence of this). Thus, I don’t think we can say that wrath is a merely human quality; rather, it seems that righteous wrath is a proper reflection of our Lord.

    Interestingly, I’d also echo on some level what you said about Anselm seeming a bit “thin” from the Orthodox perspective. The East has always been richly blessed with an eye towards the healing and mystical aspects of the Church’s ministry. In comparison, wounded honor and dialectic are much more Western emphases, generally. I think both perspectives are necessary for healthy doctrine. Without the mystical and medicinal, things like Anselmian satisfaction DO become very ‘thin,’ as you say.

    Thanks for your thoughtful comment, and God bless you.

  6. Matthew Bryan Avatar
    Matthew Bryan

    Thanks for sharing, Elizabeth. I’m thoroughly intrigued and would love to see a deep discussion of atonement from the EO and Anselmian perspectives. I will be looking up some of the books you referenced.

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